An aware researcher and correspondent sent me a link to an excellent and unique interview with Hebrew Rabbi and Scholar, Dr. Shmuel Asher. He is interviewed by Randy Maugans of Off Planet Radio in the TriUnity series on ancient Hebrew history, the Real versus the Archontic corrupted scriptures, religious programs and the reality of Spiritual Warfare that this world has been experiencing for thousands of years.
I was impressed by Dr. Asher’s in depth knowledge of ancient history that includes some of the controversial Gnostic themes about the Archontic “Rulers” and Yeheshua’s true teachings. He discusses how history has been confused and misunderstood due to constant “Archontic Manipulation” by the Fallen ones primarily via humanity’s religious co-optations and false narratives. (False histories, scientific theories, artificial time looping realities and who knows what else.) Our unconscious acceptance of these false “gods, narratives and corrupt behaviors” creates a tacit agreement which perpetuates our enslavement. Our amnesia of who we are as Eternal Spiritual Beings trapped into this Matrix of false narratives is a huge issue, one that we must overcome if we want to become free. He also makes a point of describing these deceitful beings as energy feeding vampires and parasites, who are likely to be the same ones responsible for “Alien Abductions”, some Extraterrestrial Encounters and the UFO phenomena.
As an addendum to these interviews and articles, I also wish to include the links to Dr. Corrado Malanga’s Global Picture of Alien Interferences. I believe this material helps connect the dots as to the modus operandi of the alien parasite life-cycle and “human hosting” soul entrapments, implantation and the farming and deliberate spiritual traumatization of humanity. The topic of soul abductions, soul transference uploaded into synthetic matrix realities, and cloned or copied bodies is discussed as well. In Dr. Malanga’s research and with many of the abductees and “milabs” I have counseled, the soul abduction and transference into other realities and bodies is a common report within the alien abduction experience. Astral programming and trauma is also a common theme in abduction reports, especially milabs. DREAM ABDUCTIONS: Dr. Asher’s interview with Randy Maugans:
The New Predator*(see below note on the origin of this term) topic has been long awaited and is something that needs to be disclosed because of its extreme lethality, toxicity and spiritual danger. In some respects, the New Predator has qualities of a classic Dark Side of Cupid, “alien love bite” dynamic, but presents with more “fallen angel” characteristics, as we shall see in two testimonials presented in this article.
In the the Dark Side of Cupid book (See: https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Cupid-Supernatural-Vampirism-ebook/dp/B008QPZ79U) there were some case histories in Category 4 and in the “Diabolical Variations of the Love Bite Theme”, which touched upon some of these features. Also, the testimonial written on my web site entitled: “Spiritual Community Targeted by Demons Masquerading as ET Walk-Ins“. See:
The New Predator presents with several identifying “red flag” behaviours carrying the classic supernatural twist, reminiscent of what was cast in the evil character, Kylo Ren in the recent “Star Wars–The Last Jedi” film. (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kylo_Ren) Kylo Ren, the nephew of Luke Skywalker, is a Jedi bloodline warrior, who went to the dark side. The manipulating, “alien behind the scenes” was the butt ugly, slimy, tall, thin Ayra- looking alien, Supreme Leader Snoke. When I saw the movie, I was overwhelmed with how accurate and synchronistic some of these Dark Cupid, alien love bite dynamics played out.
I want to emphasize that the New Predator love bite reports are increasing in their numbers and lethality, as more and more victims are coming forward. They are not limited to male “predators” by any means, and include some female predators as well. These reports are not as numerous, but do happen. Because this is such a dangerous form of predation upon the human Spirit, it needs to be discussed on radio shows and webinars, and will elaborated upon in more detail with Laura Leon and myself in the near future. Solutions are in progress and will also be discussed in future publishings.
Laura Leon* originally came out with the New Predator term two years ago, and we even did a radio show podcast on this topic over a year ago. Unfortunately that particular show was removed off the internet. Laura Leon has appeared on many radio interviews as well as her own You Tube channel and I encourage others to view them when they have time to follow up on these taboo and fascinating topics.(See: sovereignki.com) Remember, the whole system in this reality has been inverted, corrupted and mind-soul programmed to veil our original spiritual truth, memory and essence. As the ancient Gnostics testified, and I paraphrase, “When you come to know the truth, at first you will become disturbed.” Indeed.
Without further ado, here are the two testimonials, each from women involved with a New Predator, where they did believe at some point in their experience, that they met their “Twin Flame” soul mate. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Testimonial # 1 – From a North American woman
Hi Eve,
Here is a more in depth explanation of my experience with P. I was living on the [EL: non specified for confidentiality sake] island and immersed in one of the most powerful feminine awakening journey’s of my life thus far in a facilitated journey known as Womb Wisdom. This was the beginning of my awakening to the world of hyper-dimensional realities, spirit influence, ancient feminine mysteries and my initiation into the (false) Christ Lineage teachings. My teachers were all women but the main man and masculine pillar who brought forth this work was named P.
I revered him as a man with great power, wisdom and love. When I met P for the first time, we hugged and my entire body activated with energy and it felt like my body was melting into him. He held me as I cried for hours releasing pain and trauma from my body all while pulling me in closer to him. It felt like I was home in his presence. He was then later invited over to the retreat space I was staying at by the owner–who just so happened to be friends with him. Later that evening, P shared with me that we were lovers in Egypt and as he touched my leg, energy shot through my entire body and I felt the truth of this karmic resonance flow through me. He brought me to my room to share a story with me. As he spoke of the Ancient temple in Egypt and the massacre of the Priestess’s, he weaved his words in a way that made me become convinced that I had something to do with the betrayal of him and the murder of the priestess’s. He claimed he was the Priest and I remember crying my eyes out looking into his eyes, seeing his face change into the man I once knew. He kept asking me who he was, telling me he was my Beloved. I gave him my will and became convinced he truly was my Beloved and that we had found each other again, after all those lifetimes. I was shaken at the core and so entranced that this man with such great power and depth was coming onto me. I was bewildered, startled and completely placed under his spell.
He then kissed me and quickly moved himself on top of me. It was the most passionate, intense experience I have ever shared with a man. The way he placed himself onto me was overwhelming and I could feel pain shooting inside my mouth as he kissed me with intense vigour. I was so surrendered and even though it hurt, I didn’t have enough within me to tell him to stop. I was powerless and weak underneath him and a part of me had always wanted to experience a man with this much passion and desire and so I didn’t resist. I surrendered and moved with him as my body began to open in ways I never felt before, I began experiencing profound tantric bliss like never before. The next morning I woke up with swollen lips and a gut feeling that something was not right. I tried to understand what was happening, but I couldn’t. After that encounter we were constantly pulled to each other. I was entranced and wanted to explore what was unfolding. He told me I was his “soul mate” and spoke of having premonitions of going to my home country as he felt my soul calling to him. He kept sharing stories from Egypt weaving archetypal energies into my experience and tying me into a mythical storyline of truth weaved in with inflation and deceit.
We experienced the most amazing highs, blissful and ecstatic connection from the very beginning. Then crashing lows that would tear me apart and leave me feeling completely physically and emotionally drained. Many nights I was literally on the floor in shambles, crying my eyes out as his abusive and minimizing words attacked me. As I received this harsh energy I believed it was helping me evolve. I believed this pain was breaking my heart open to the truth of myself. I believed that the hurtful things he was saying about me were true because he was a highly evolved being who had vast precision, awareness and great consciousness that saw through everything. His manipulations had me inverted and emotionally controlled to feel that I continuously needed him. Even though he was abusive, I could not leave him. I was veiled. I could not see how his light was false. I thought it was the Guru’s way. I thought I deserved this. I felt that without him I would not be able to live. I allowed myself to be robbed of my voice and my personal power. I trusted him completely and put my heart fully out on the table to continuously, have it smashed by patterns of destruction. Something felt off within me, but I believed I had to be humble and take it all in without talking back or standing up against him, as he was serving my soul and had my greatest interest in mind.
Over time, we became even closer. The psychic connection grew incredibly strong. I felt like he was watching me when I was alone. I felt that he could hear my thoughts. I remember one night I woke up in terror as I felt this dark and heavy energy over me. When I became conscious, I realized it wasn’t human. Moments later he showed up at my door saying he could feel me. He was so tuned into me. Sometimes I felt I had no privacy in my own space. When I was pulling away, he would show up saying all the right things to bring me back into his life. I was also very connected to him and experienced feeling what he was feeling. I could especially feel him desiring me sexually and would know when he would want to make love, as I could feel his presence pulling on my body to be with him. It felt that my sexual energy was literally being siphoned at times.
As time went on the abusive patterns kept increasing and the extreme highs and lows intensified. I became more and more drained as I was continuously rejected and then pulled back into this “love bite” agenda. It was like I was being emotionally whiplashed. He would push me away and then would show affection again opening himself up sexually. I was so cast under a spell and because of my own vulnerabilities and wounds I could not get away. I felt such deep love with him and was so addicted to his charm and alluring, strong presence and also had a deep yearning to make love with him as it was like nothing I had experienced before. My entire body was being awakened and I felt my chakra’s and sexual centers opening in the most profound ways. I was so deeply influenced believing that our relationship was one of the greatest blessings of my life. I believed that all his harshness and anger was the tough love I needed to help me evolve. That these highs and lows were a normal part of being with a man like this.
When we would come back together after the many intense separations, it was the most passionate, deeply blissful, ecstatic love I have ever experienced and he would share with me how much I meant to him and how I was the most beautiful woman he has ever been with and how I am his soul mate and that he would take care of me and be in my life forever. My heart was so open to him and so trusting that I believed him. I trusted that somewhere within him, he must truly love and care for me. Yet, every time we separated or spiraled into a drama, it was so intense and it felt like all his words would go shooting down the drain holding no meaning at all. I would dive into the darkest places. At times it felt like I wanted to die. I wouldn’t be able to get out of bed. I had no energy at all. It felt that without him I was hopeless, meaningless. My life had no substance and I felt completely paralyzed. No matter where we stood, his presence would always consume me and I could not let him go. Even though his words would cut me down, making me feel like I was nothing, portraying me to be a small, stupid and worthless girl compared to the “powerful, intelligent, and evolved Christed being” he was, time and time again I would keep opening myself to him.
It was like I was possessed. I couldn’t see clearly. My solar plexus would tighten and I could not be without him. I would do anything to win him back after he would treat me this way. My solar plexus was in so much pain feeling like it was being tied into a tight knot and pierced with a flaming red needle time and time again. I would think of him and cry so deeply it felt my heart was turned inside out and then he would call me saying he felt me and would somehow make me feel like everything was okay again. He would apologize, or hear my apology and I would feel safe again, and I was right back in, opening my heart again. It felt like I was literally walking on egg shells with him. I had to watch my every move because I did not want to trigger or upset him in any way. I got incredibly used to always feeling pain in my chest, not having any security in my life, but somehow continuously trusting that I was in good hands. I worked myself to complete exhaustion doing all the practices and rituals he asked me to do. It felt that I had to do everything under his watch and approval and that if I didn’t he would reject me. He would prescribe me practices that made me believe he really cared for me but now I wonder if it was just a way to fulfill his own needs and story. I worked 4 jobs at once to save money to travel across the world in a very short period of time to be with him, only to be sent back home in despair and heavy guilt and shame feeling it was “all my fault” and would completely gaslight me time and time again. I picked up and completely moved my life twice to fly across the world to be with him, only to last 2 weeks in his presence before another intense drama would play out.
It allowed myself to become the puppet on his string. I put him before everything in my life. I alienated myself from my family and my friends to be with him, I quit my business and jobs and put my finances in extreme jeopardy to be with him, only to arrive and be manipulated by his aggression and abused by his unpleased behaviour, as I was never “enough” for him. I even remember him saying that the only thing I was good at was making love. His mannerisms were completely incongruent with his message and desire to support woman. It was months of this back and forth abuse until some of the women in the work began to catch onto his harshness and behaviour. After my trip to ********* to be with him, I felt completely paralyzed and frozen from the trauma I experienced. I spoke with (*****) and then herself and another woman came out in public about his narcissistic tendencies, psychopathic behaviour and false light cult constructs. Later that day I received messages written from multiple women who had experienced things with P that were out of alignment. He had been visiting other women in their dreams touching them sexually, sharing how he had past connections with them in Egypt. He created situations that tore people apart, casting spells with his words.
He stole other woman’s work, taking their teachings and using his intelligence to expand and twist them for his own agenda. (EL–This “copycat” plagerizing behaviour is common for these predators) The spirits moving through him were feeding off of and manipulating a list of powerful woman across the globe. After becoming aware of this, I completely left my body. It was like I was high on Ayahuasca. I was hallucinating and was experiencing strange body perceptions. I understand now that I was so traumatized from what I had been through, that I left my body completely. Everything was swirling around me and I didn’t know what to do other than ground into Gaia. I began cutting chords and focusing on really separating from him for good. I became very sick and my energy was very weak. I was beginning to understand the severity of the spirit influence and how entangled I was with him. As I began to disconnect he began messaging me telling me how he could feel me sexually and that he was receiving pictures of me in his mind.
I did not respond to him, but then shortly after, I was strung in and felt called to share how I was truly feeling in hopes to bring this all to an end. He received me and apologized for his behavior, taking ownership of the spirits moving through him that caused him to minimize me and treat me like I was dirt and nothing to him. It felt like it was a real breakthrough and that he was finally owning himself and his darkness. He humbled himself and shared with me that I was his teacher of love and said all the right things to win me back again. (Now, I understand that it was just his – or the being moving behind him-’s way of making sure I did not add to the fire these women were bringing forth, because if I had then, surely his veils would have come undone and the spirits moving behind him would have lost even more power). Instead, being my love-drunk, addicted and forgiving self, I opened my heart back to him again. This time I could tangibly feel the spirit influence moving us together, I heard in my head, “You must go back with him to help him” as simultaneously my sexual energy was being turned on by a force outside of myself that was not natural. It was like my sexual energy was hijacked, but I was aroused by the rush of energy that I agreed to see him again to work on healing together.
He came to visit me in my home town and within no time he slipped right back into his patterns of verbal and emotional abuse. He blamed me for being the one who provoked the women to turn on him. He belittled me again telling me it was my fault and that if I hadn’t spoken to them about my experiences in the other country, none of that would have happened. He reverted back to shaming and guilting me and playing the role of the “beautiful victim celestial boy” who was hurt and was justified due to his distorted thinking and blaming. He denied that any abuse occurred and reverted back to claiming that if it wasn’t for what I did, he would not have gotten mad at all. He could not take ownership for the ways he was really abusing me and psychically feeding off these other women. I became the “Judas” and the one who betrayed him and another huge drama played out. He had a way that was so good with words that I believed his words to be true and I was immediately draped with an immensity of guilt and my solar plexus and heart were taken through another stabbing, tight sensation episode of great pain. These narcissistic ploys sucked more and more emotional loosh from me and it felt like I was slowly killing myself.
When he left my space after we separated for the final time, it was then that we became aware of the “Love Bite” dynamic in our relationship. We both read Bernard’s Blog post about Eve Lorgen’s work and knew right away that this is what was playing out between us. Immediately he told me I had to heal this within me, implying I was the only one who carried this host or entity. I began detaching myself and was still experiencing deep pulls on my solar plexus but it wasn’t as intense. As soon as I received the awareness, it was like a massive chord was cut, and I could feel myself coming back into my own energy. I took space from my teachers and the work and began my healing journey and research into this phenomena. Months later my teacher reached out inviting me back into the work. As soon as I was in contact with her, I had a dream where I was in a room by myself and P’s voice was in my head speaking to me and the “entity of force” I had felt before was trying to make love to my body. I was trying to escape, but this energetic spirit kept touching me and caressing my body. I woke up instantly knowing that this was just another sign of the energies moving through him and that I had to cut myself from the teachers connected to him and this work.
P uses a facade of being involved in the Christ Counsel. Nothing could be further from the truth. He made me believe I was the center of his world and then after becoming triggered, would tell me I am nothing and that I don’t deserve him. To this day I still feel I am being watched as I unplug myself from the programming and the cluster of spirits moving behind him that weaved into my life. My solar plexus still feels pulled on and my nervous system is still rebuilding itself. P is overshadowed by a demonic psychic vampire and I wish that no one goes through what I experienced again. I hope that sharing this helps warn others.
I want to share my experience with you if I may? I am looking forward to any input, if you want. If not, I’m sorry for bothering you really.
I have met a man and we connected instantly. I realize now that at the time, I was a stupid newbie to spirituality and naive. He helped me to solve all my troubles.
He hypnotized me in the woods and I was in a trance state with him, feeling orgasmic just by looking at him. I do not know how to call him, pagan, (black) magician, shaman or charlatan– but he looked like a demon, or some alien, and both of us started acting crazy, feeling amazing dark, sexual energies of some entity. I froze from fear and cried and begged him to let me go because I thought he’d kill me. It felt like I had sex with some entity, not with the man, because it wasn’t physical sex. It felt like bones in my body are twitching and I was doing really creepy, almost levitating positions spontaneously, that would be painful to do without trance. After that we felt like we were weightless.
When I was in a trance he took me on an astral journey or projection just by putting his hand on my belly button. Or maybe it was kundalini, and I saw Earth, as a huge astral body (50 times larger than earth, I thought it was God, lol), universe, rainbow (was that was my astral chord?), and some beautiful place on some planet that felt like heaven and I felt oneness. Or was it all just in my soul memory, my home? He has been evoking visions of occult symbols in me too. We had a telepathic connection. It felt like I was enlightened. No drugs were involved in all this, at all, I swear. I don’t have mental illness in case you wonder.
Physical sex was amazing. He works with meridians points. He put his hand on my head and deleted my thoughts and went into my mind and all I saw was bright light and I was drunk on that energy. He has many lovers and wants orgies too and I was up for it. He says he has sex with people to liberate them. But he blew me off. He said we can’t continue until my consciousness rises or else I will fall apart.
He showed me mind-blowing things and suddenly disappeared. Though he promised me he would teach me everything and called me his student. He recommended to me some occult books, as he initiated me into it. I was glamorized by it but felt just used for sex. I have never experienced any of it before. I didn’t even know about any of this. He talked about our past lives and how we are soulmates. I thought he was my twin flame or guru. There were so many signs and synchonicities.
He left me with no explanation of anything. I’ve been possessed with some entity (or was it his energetic hooks?). I can channel some stupid threats in Latin that I don’t even know how to speak, but I translate it later online. I feel very depressed and heavy if I try to repress it, but if I express it in the hope it’ll go out from me, it doesn’t solve a problem neither. I even tried doing exorcism on me, but that didn’t work either.
In our last encounter (I begged to see him) I told him I love him and he told me it is all my fault because I expected us to be a couple and I need to solve it on my own, or I should kill myself. He was very mean to me before too, he basically raped me mentally and I won’t go into nasty details and really dark parts of story. And I can’t believe I actually wanted to help him.
Anyway, he suddenly discarded me by cutting all physical contact and kept contact only online until I stopped it. I’ve never wanted to play games. He rarely contacts me, but I ignore it. I have no idea what he wants from me? I live in a quite big city and sometimes I see him somewhere every few months. Weird coincidence or not? He just stares at me and then and sends me negative energy. Not to sound paranoid, but I hope he’s not stalking me. I even avoid going to places where I saw him before so he’s out of my sight. So I don’t know— how does this keep happening.
I don’t know what kind of energy work has he done to me and how did it all happen? He last texted me that this is how I see it: it’s all an illusion and we’ll see each other when needed, when I’ll be ready, and how nothing is over. And that he is with me all the time, but not physically. I ignored him by all means, from then on.
I don’t know how to fully stop telepathy with him. I don’t want to have dreams about him, but even in lucid dreams he gets in somehow or takes different form. He puts his belly button on my belly and sucks my soul out and I find it very hard to wake up. Telling him to stop it, doesn’t help. I even see his future in my dreams and it turns out to be completely true. I get attacked by demons in the astral. I don’t know—is it him too? He also projected in my bedroom with his friends—witches. He or some entity pulled my soul into the astral against my will. He or his evil spirits can change energetic blueprint around me and shape-shift things and play with electromagnetic fields so I really see my reality changing. Sometimes I’m so tired of it and it feels like I’m going crazy. Is this supposed to impress me or scare me? Not working. It’s stupid. I’m not paying attention to it, but I still see it.
I think he has schizophrenia and a narcissistic personality disorder and thinks he’s a god. He has a harem of woman and does what he did to me to many women. Though he told me I’m the first one he got to do so much with, and I’m the closest to what he wants in a woman because I’m open (I think he meant my aura is open). Since I don’t want anything to do with him anymore, he’s mad at me and maybe obsessed because he failed in whatever he wanted. He talks bad about me to other people and tells lies. Whatever.
At this point, I’ve worked with many healers. Some saying that he is draining me, that I’m in severe pain, and some say that I have someone’s soul stuck inside me, or that he took fragments of me for himself. They tried to help, but it never worked in the long-term. I cut chords many times and cleaned chakras but I still don’t feel he is fully out of my system. I built many types of shields. I went meditating in nature and surrounded myself with wonderful people. I don’t masturbate on thoughts of him. I deleted and blocked all his contacts. I pray to god and angels. I’m indifferent about him and I let go. I burned in fire the things connected to him and I cut my hair off to symbolically start fresh. What more can I do? I want to be free 100%, but it doesn’t work. I’m ok for few weeks and everything comes back again. Why? It’s the same if I do a lot and try to help and fight back, and it’s the same if I just live and do nothing. What exactly did he use me for and how likely is it that he will give up on me forever? Or is it me, is it all just in my head? If I accept this, I’ll be suffering like this forever. It’s still the same, it doesn’t go away. I work on my inner child wounds and traumas. I got into this mess with him in the hopes that I’ll learn how to heal others with energy and I got tricked by false light. I’ve forgiven him and myself, I love another man now and I’m in a healthy relationship. I want no harm to anyone.
I normally worry about other people he’s abusing with his messiah complex but I can’t do anything about it to stop it. I just live my life good like I normally do as if I’ve never met him, honest and decent I hope, trying to be happy and kind to people. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t eat meat but I’m not a saint. I’m a normal person, but my inner life looks like what I’ve described, not peaceful. I know there are worse things in life than this, I may sound ungrateful, but it is what it is.
EL-In response to correspondence about the difficulty of receiving any kind of help or understanding in the “world of normals” who don’t have a clue of what is really going on:
I know what you mean. About acadamia and “normal world” institutions. My guess is that such people are just not aware, they haven’t woken up yet. So if they are in a place of high authority, such as in academia, mental hospitals, or any other system, it’s very hard to be heard and be taken seriously, practically impossible, if your position is “below” them. They are the ones that lead. I’m sure that some of them are intelligent enough to know more, but they are afraid about their reputation (such as my mentor). So it is very hard to get across these barriers, especially in countries such as mine unfortunately, where everything revolves around politics, and selfish interests and we’re far beyond that.
I forgot to say something important when you asked how he chooses his victims. He operates online mostly and he has many accounts on many different sites, such as forums about psychology, medicine, video games, spirituality groups on facebook, dating sites, and so on. He then contacts people who seem to have some sort of trouble, or manipulates them into contacting him, and he offers them free help and the rest is history, as you know.
When I found out he does this on a web-page made for teenagers, I wanted to report him to the police, but I don’t have any evidence that he is having sex with minors. He’s not violating the law by being on that site. (EL Note: with the New Predators the “pedophile programming often is part of their game at some point)
He also plays a guitar on a street and preys on people who are into music. Then he starts his brain-washing program on them. He has some band and they play music all over the country so he meets new people that way too. You know how some sensitive girls are into musicians.
(He gets into all sort of projects for a good cause. It’s scary.
He talked to me about wanting to volunteer with kids in some art classes, as he has a Masters degree in Arts. So, basically, sadly, you get the picture: he is practically everywhere. But he is such an actor that people have no idea who he really is and they are either being tricked, or they stepped on the dark side to work for him.
Another form of predation he uses to entrap people is for example, he takes home abandoned cats on the streets, takes pictures of them and puts them online, so people call him to adopt kittens. It’s sick how there are countless ways he uses to get close to people and to appear as a nice person.
So, yes, of course, I would be thrilled if my experience could save or help at least one unfortunate soul somewhere. Please, go ahead and use it. And thank you.
*After a few months she sent me this email about her newfound protection in Jesus Christ:
“The only thing that worked against evil spirits is quitting everything that is connected to new age or occult (meditations, visualizations, channelling, readings, lucid dreaming, astral projections, reading books about aliens, pseudo-science, psychology, hypnotherapy that embrace elements of new age). I got rid of all such books and things with symbolism in my home. I completely and honestly surrendered my life to Christ, repented for my sins, invited him in my heart, and he restored me through Holy spirit. It helped immediately! I’ve read the Bible and it gave me answers to all questions I’ve had. This simple and free solution helped many and I wish I had found it out sooner. I recommend checking ex new ager Steven Bancarz who explains this in depth, and other Christian testimonies. I understand not everyone agrees with this, and no one is to be judged, but those who truly search God will be set free by this, and will get a new heart. I hope this helps someone.”
This is a testimonial from “Grace”, an courageous survivor who endured a profound Dark Cupid, false twin flame type drama with two different men during the course of a few years. (The names used are all pseudonyms) In hindsight, Grace understands and reveals the multiple causes, conditions and patterns of hyperdimensional interference in her life, and her relationships over time. This includes current “cult” family history, early trauma sexual abuse, New Age types of spirituality and religious programming, UFO sightings, ascended masters and past life connections with a Draco, ancient priestess events and agreements of entrapment through time. Her experience is revelatory and she articulates well her thoughts, feelings and interpersonal dynamics that occur in conjunction with the “love bite” partner(s) who were clearly being set up and played as a type of interdimensional “handler” with the New Predator characteristics.
The first part of the testimonial is the initial correspondence Grace wrote to me about her two “love bite” experiences. Some passages I highlight in Bold, where I see significant insights or patterns revealed. I decided to fill in editorial comments (in italics) within certain statements that show how her feeling, thinking, beliefs, guilt programming, as well as other tactics acted out by her Dark Cupid partner. I observed how Grace’s Spirit kept nudging her way towards greater awareness, intention and empowerment, as she also moved back and forth into old patterns of thinking, feeling, programming triggers and being pulled under the “love spell” aspects of this very confusing pattern of hyperdimensional interference. I wanted to show how her own Spirit kept pushing through, despite seeming set backs of repeatedly being pulled back into situations of “Predator hoovering” her back in. It shows how some agreements of entrapment were enabled through old beliefs and guilt. She reveals in a later email about 3 months later, how memories and deep realizations emerge of other lifetime events with a particular Draco, who was a large part of how this was all being set up through time. Her essential goodness, empathy and spiritual gifts were taken advantage of by these “entity driven/possessed” love bite partners. She also recognizes the “Draco” overshadowing working through these men in hindsight. We can see how the Predator/handler uses her good nature, gifts and empathy to its advantage to keep pulling her back into the “loosh feeding” drama.
Grace recalls ancient priestess involvement in Egyptian and Atlantean times, and understood intuitively the reversal of energies in certain rituals, and how the priestess-whore role kept playing itself over many lifetimes.
This is Grace’s testimony in her own words:
I recently watched your “Love Bite Plus” (See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1j-dtUgops) and “Hyperdimensional Interference and the Keys to Discernment” (See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kopPZCqLGoo&t=3s) Panel Discussions, as well as your talk with Lauda Leon about the “New Predator“.(See: https://evelorgen.com/wp/news/the-new-predator-2/) I have also read both of your books. I took interest in the topic of the love bite and hyperdimensional interference after I experienced two of these types of relationships. After watching the panel discussion, I’m realizing that the other experiences in my life are also somehow connected to this.
I first want to say that they were all extremely helpful in helping to explain and connect the dots on the experiences I’ve had throughout my life, but I also appreciated the empowering angle they had even when discussing some serious and scary/disturbing topics.
I’d like to share my story with you, in case there is anything that can be of assistance to you in your research, as well as for the empowerment of others who are experiencing this. I will first warn you that this is a very long email, and that I am currently in the process of working through my issues, so if at any point, this becomes overwhelming, please feel free to not read it all. I also want to state that I do not see myself as a victim in this, and I do take responsibility for getting involved in spirituality with the wrong intentions leading me to become entangled with these entities.
I wrote about my experiences with a lot of detail hoping that it can give you insight into how insidious and damaging this is, and I’m sure you are aware of this. I am guessing that because of my openness to extrasensory experiences, it was much easier for these beings to become involved in these love bite type scenarios in an invisible way that even I have a hard time believing are real.
Just to give you some background, I have been seeing spirits since I was a child (earliest memory 2-3 years old), had issues sleeping due to “demonic attacks” (hearing, seeing, feeling, sleep paralysis), sexual abuse as a child, being in a Bible-based doomsday cult for 13 years (age 14-27), then being led to various cult-like New Age groups, and two love bite situations that are more like the New Predator profile.(EL-Early childhood trama especially sexual abuse, demonic interference and cult environment as significant causation to vulnerability.) By the end of 2016, I really began to wonder why there were so many things “wrong” but I didn’t question these things enough because I figured I was whining about my situation and being bitter.( EL-questioning why things felt “wrong” is good. Belief or some early critical judgement on “whining” causes a guilt that shuts her down from taking action, telling the truth etc.) By the end of last year, I began to contemplate leaving this world, feeling as if I was a balloon with a hole in it, and my life force was slowly being drained. Because I know that my usual self has a general joy and gratitude for life, I felt this wasn’t really me. (EL- demonic oppression and/or suicide program going off) I believe this was also a trap and version of hyperdimensional attack that would trick me into using my free will to end my life. (EL- Yes, good insights)
My intention in telling you this is not to be negative, but to let you know how much the awareness I have received from your work is helping me to reclaim my power and have hope again. (EL-Excessive concerns of sounding negative, and needing a kind of permission to just tell the “ugly” truth.It’s common in many religious groups, cults or even New Age circles to not be “negative” and impose heavy guilt or judgements of character if anyone speaks up about anything negative even if its the truth.) I’d like to now share more details of my Dark Side of Cupid experiences.
The first one was with a married man who was more like a spiritual mentor. About 5 months before I met him, I had become tired of bad relationships and decided that I needed to work on manifesting my “soulmate”. During this process, I decided to re-embark on my spiritual journey to learn more about my true essence. (In hindsight, yes, it was a BIG mistake, making a contract with these frequencies). Also, around this time, I was dealing with sleep paralysis and noticing that the presence I felt was not demonic, but more like aliens. I went deeper into the buzzing noise I felt and ended up in a space center of some sort where they were broadcasting “Project Healing Light”. I woke up before I could see them, as I was afraid of what I would see. (EL- Red flag of abduction, astral and/or milab programming being implemented.) I began to meditate on my soulmate, and during one of my meditations, I felt the presence of someone who I believed to be “the one”. I also had done a past life regression showing me a past life in Egypt with a love from those times. As I was writing out a letter to the universe with the qualities I was looking for in a partner and thanking the universe for this, I began to feel a presence that was causing me to do automatic writing. (EL- Red flag of spirit/entity invasion, and previous invitation with the method of intention in manifesting soul mate etc. ) I believed it was “my soulmate”, and he told me that we would meet soon (after 4 moons), and that I should go to a local spiritual group called Love & Light to discover my spiritual gifts. (EL-Specific programming commands—could be human mind controllers or hyperdimensional and demonic )I did as I was told, and the psychic in the group “discovered” me as someone who had many “gifts”. (EL-who or what was really working through that psychic at the Love & Light Center?) I ended up serving there as a healer, reader, and also doing administrative tasks on their board (another cult-like situation & lesson). (EL-Cult programming, -“return to the cult” or the “new cult and handler situation”.) During this time I was also connecting a lot with the Ascended Masters; they would constantly show up during my meditations, take me places, and even summon me to meditate at times. (EL—Who are the Ascended Masters really? Keep on reading—its revealed later!)
After some deep reflection, I made a decision to leave this group and shortly after, I met this man I will refer to as “John”. (EL- Deep reflection is a good sign that her Spirit is leading, questioning and trying to surface to break through denial and programming. After leaving a “cult group” and handler, a replacement/love bite set up is quickly engineered for her to meet up with.) I was feeling vulnerable after losing my spiritual community/teachers, so timing was “perfect” for this scenario. When we met, we had a one-on-one meditation session, in which he asked me if I wanted to work with the “beings up high” (ETs). I said yes, and from that point, I began to work with them. I limited my ability to really see them because I was still afraid, but they did give me some sort of tool to work with time. John also guided me to move my kundalini energy, which (in hindsight & after reading your work) is what caused me to have such feelings of love, sexual attraction, and bliss towards him. (EL—John is a predator, quickly hooking into kundalini energy. But permission was given by being willing to work with “ETs”) On our second meeting, I felt it was ethical for me to let him know that I was feeling these feelings of attraction (as he was married), and he told me it was because we had past lives together (including Egypt). The relationship was more like a spiritual friendship/mentorship than a physical or romantic one, and I went along with it believing that it was helping me to expand my perception of love to a more unconditionally loving person. He helped me heal from my past wounds, and I helped him to heal his relationship with his wife and to resume his spiritual work and meditation group. ( EL—Classic New Predator and Dark Cupid set up. They are engineered to be the guru/lover (yet conveniently married to another), and still connecting in to sexual energy with love connection overtones. Creates confusion, guilt and a love-drug kind of hook. Shefunctions in the student, or even sex slave kind of position of being of less power than his rank. Also, her “telling him all about her wounding” created a greater vulnerability to his control.)
During this time, I saw numerous UFOs, as well as a portal opening up from the sky once (in a photo). After a few months, I remember having an experience with a spaceship which I saw with my third eye. I was outside at work with my best friend. All of a sudden, I saw a space ship and a beam of light. There was El Morya (ascended master that worked with John as his major “guide”) standing there with his hand stretched out, telling me to follow him. I went with him, and then I wasn’t able to see what was happening. I remember John telling me that I could ask to remember when I am being taken up, so I did that. I remembered seeing myself on some sort of medical table, but the mood in the ship was as if I was a bride being prepared for marriage to this man I had been working with. They did things to me to “prepare me” to be “married” to John, and joined us together. Later, when I met up with him for a meditation, John said he also saw this. (EL—The “ET abduction/visitation” real motive appears to be medical manipulation as well as the “marriage contract” which binds her energetically to have her spiritual power used and also bound to the “ascended master/ET/Cult group etc” This creates another deeper level of agreement of entrapment on a spiritual level.)
I had been working with John, supporting his meditation group by giving messages to the participants. I also was getting more involved with other spiritual groups in the area, ones that were working with the ET or galactic energies. I met a woman who was known for her work with the “council” and such. She hugged me and began speaking light language, and shortly after, I was not only speaking some light language, but began to sing in this. She told me that the language I was speaking was really old and that she had not heard it in a very long time (ancient). To my shock, she also told me that I was pregnant(?!) with some sort of a “light baby” and that this had happened to her and to other women. (See video on Firebloods, Nephilim and the Priestess/Harlet Paradigm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFIzEGkpsvE…) The next day, when I spoke with John, he seemed to know something and was wondering about what happened the night before. I told him about the “baby”, and he asked me if I knew what it was. I told him that it felt like it was some spiritual baby I had created with him, and it seemed he already knew about this. He told me that the ETs were building another planet, and that this “baby” was being taken there. (EL-How conscious is John of his involvment as an instrument of these beings aned agendas one wonders. Is he a mind controlled MPD/DID from some ritual Abuse MK ultra cult bloodline family? Is he simply a host or walk-in for some ET or demonic entities?)
Later, I started noticing that something was wrong. There was something inside of me that felt that my “contract” with John was over, and maybe I was just meant to be in his life to help him up until that point. I began to slowly distance myself, and I found that I was feeling drained. I noticed that he would call me in a more needy way, asking for my help when he was down, and this was coincidentally on the days of his meetup group meditation. My friend even asked me if I didn’t think it was strange that he was calling on the days of his meditation, and that maybe he was taking my energy. I also noticed one time that he convinced me to go to his group, and that he had essentially imitated my frequency and was imitating an idea I had shared about a meeting I wanted to have with people. It wasn’t the fact that he had taken my idea, but something seemed strange, as if a program was playing with my vibration that did not match him at all. (EL—John seems to be some kind of “walk in” or counterfeit spirit operating to imitate and take ideas, power, energy for these meditation groups. He was used to possibly impregnate some “astral parasite being” with her creative essence, then once that was done, contract over?)
By the end of that year, I began to notice more strange things. I ended up getting physically ill, having intense abdominal pains, which led to me having my gallbladder surgically removed. The woman who told me I was “pregnant” told me that this was the birth of my “light baby”. I began to feel as if there was some dark cloud over me, and I became very drained. I also realized that my life was falling apart – my home life, my job, my health. I began distancing myself from all spiritual groups. I remember telling John that I needed to take some time to take care of myself and get my life back in order, resulting in us having an hours long conversation in which he was “helping” me through these “problems” I was having. According to him, instead of wanting to take care of myself, being around and helping people is what I actually loved to do. When I told him I needed to do things, he would come back and say I didn’t need to do anything. After getting off the phone, I realized I had wasted my energy and my day, and I somehow felt I was being hypnotized. (EL—John being used to program or re-program her once she distanced herself, and take energy too.)
At the end of that year, I went to my last spirituality event, an expo in which I had volunteered to do readings and healings. By this time, I was at an all-time low and was looking forward to getting it over with. At this event, I met another man Seth, who was a vendor selling spiritual protection tools. Seth was tall and extremely attractive to me, but I noticed he was receiving so much attention from others (especially women), as if there was some sort of vortex around him. I briefly had a conversation with him in which I strangely blurted out that I used to be in a cult, to which he replied “Cool!”. That night, I noticed that he had found me on Facebook and messaged me about another friend from the community. Seth was extremely sensitive, having lived in isolation for many years and would become sick around people. He told me that this friend had made him sick and that I was energetically this friend’s “bitch”.
Seth and I eventually began to talk more, and it ended up that we had so much in common, especially our shared interests in the intersection of spirituality with fringe/conspiracy topics. I also had this strange vision of him being some sort of spiritual secret agent, and later I saw that he was some sort of a walk-in, one that was of the greys but had betrayed them in some way. He seemed to really enjoy my perspectives, and what made my heart open up to him was that he seemed to see beauty in my “battle wounds”, meaning my strange and painful past (which I considered a weakness). The other thing is that I began to have sexual feelings for him, and had fantasized about him. He seemed to sense this, and without realizing what I had done, he told me that he physically felt me go into bed with him. We seemed to be talking all day long, and there was this intense feeling of love and connection. One day, he told me about revoking contracts, and I was doing this while messaging with him. All of a sudden, he told me that I was him and he was me. I found this to be a bit puzzling, but at the time the feelings of love were so strong that I didn’t question further. (EL – Bliss of love spell overrides spirit screaming, warning, red flag!)
Also, he met John and revealed things about him that opened my eyes. He said John was able to reach the heights of the mental body but had no ability to access his heart energy, and that John essentially had no soul. That somehow made something click for me. Later, I received a visitation from the El Morya being (which I could sense was coming from John in order to reconnect with me), except this time something felt weird and very invasive. I told him to leave, and expressed my free will intention not to connect with him.All of a sudden, the majestic light being I used to see turned into this ugly, tall grey alien creature who looked ferocious and angry. His eyes protruded from his head and were waving around like snakes. Having been revealed for what it was, it left my presence immediately. ( EL—Greatmove! And see how the being reveals its true form when the intenion to disconnect is implemented) I then cut off communications with John. Shortly after, Seth told me that he could no longer maintain contact and that he needed to stay away from people.
I was devastated, and felt so abandoned, but I couldn’t shake my feelings of gratitude towards him for helping me gain discernment and for helping me disconnect with John. For several months, I still felt his presence. I also decided that I should no longer allow the feeling of longing for him in case it would harm him in any way. In spite of this, I still would receive astral visitations from him and would have sexual contact coming from him (or the entities associated with him) in my dream state. At some point, I was finally able to get over him and move on with my life. (EL-the guilt programming aspect, fear of “harming him” helped maintain the hook going for the astral connections.Karmic connections are also realized later on. Eventually it fades away with the decision to not obsess and “get on with her life”. )
By this time, I had removed myself from the spiritual community and I had dissolved most of my individual relationships from these groups. I could sense that a lot of people were somehow stealing my energy and that my “work” and “gifts” were not actually helping these people to evolve and instead were some sort of quick fix that was enabling a sort of spiritual laziness. I began to focus on my own healing. I experienced a continued decrease in energy. (EL—Great observation and Spirit is coming through more strongly in perceptions, awareness and power.)
At the end of last year, John suddenly came to see me at work, and he tried to resume our friendship, which I didn’t accept. Later, I noticed his presence near my energy bodies trying to work with me or do something with my energy. I could also sense that he was searching for something, as whatever he was doing was not working. Another time, I saw that he was somehow trying to access my energy from behind my heart chakra, and what I saw was that he was accessing the memories of when we used to work together, allowing some sort of backdoor to my energy, especially my heart energy. This helped to explain where my energy drainage was coming from, as my general energy of joy and love (not romantic) that I remembered being from my heart center had slowly begun to disappear. I rebuked him in spirit and told him that he had to leave, that I didn’t permit him to do this, and that there were consequences to accessing my energy without my permission. Also, looking back, I realized that he and I differed greatly in our approaches to healing and spirituality. I intuitively had a general code of ethics when it came to my work, and permission was key to everything, to the point where I always asked explicit permission before doing anything and also had to work in accordance with the person’s Higher Self. He, on the other hand, would go and work on people without them knowing and without asking for permission. There was also a selfishness and lack of heart center in everything he did, almost to the point of being robotic. He would speak of how he wanted to make all this money and become like Deepak Chopra. It felt off, and these were things I noticed towards the end of our “relationship” that led me to believe our contract was ending.
After about a month of that last episode, I realized how vulnerable I was to certain attacks because of my cult experience, and that my general ability to listen to red flags had been disabled due to all of the intense programming from this time. I decided to go back to counseling and join a support group for cult members, with the intention of re-learning how to set proper boundaries and to deprogram myself from this. I also did not want to wrongly use any of my energies to serve the wrong system. (EL-Her Spirit is working well to push through the resistance.)
Interestingly enough, as soon as I began to regain my inner sense of joy and to focus on healing myself, Seth returned to my life after 1.5 years. This is where things become even more strange, and where I still feel confused as to what happened. He messaged me saying that he needed my help, and that after taking DMT, he was stuck in time, in a place where there are no people and only robots. He said that he felt he was dead. Before this, I also began to see him and sense his presence, which made things again seem very meant to be for me. (EL—a hook to pull her back in through sympathy, neediness and danger)
I responded to him and began to try to help him, telling myself I’d do this “spirituality” stuff one last time, if it could help him. He seemed so desperate that it was hard to just leave him that way. I talked to him to see what was happening, and he told me that he couldn’t reach me at my frequency, so he had to meditate to meet me. He also said he began to smoke cigarettes (which he is allergic to) to connect with me because I smoke cigarettes. As we talked, he said he was beginning to feel better. I did let him know that I wasn’t really doing this work anymore, so I didn’t know if I could be much help.
At some point, Seth began to speak in third person, saying that I was talking to his dead soul. He said that the first walk-in was trying to leave, and that he had another walk-in. Or I should say, the “dead soul” told me this. I did sense that the energy of this being was different from the first one I was talking to. He spoke of a portal of light he had seen in his dream state, and that he knew that was his way home, and that he wanted to be with his family, but that portal had disappeared. I suddenly remembered some mediumship work that I did during my spirituality days, and how I had assisted some spirits in continuing on their journey. In a desperation to help him, I decided I would try to help.(I made sure to ask his permission and to make sure it was what he wanted, and whether it was something that would not harm the body he was in. They both said yes, and somehow I was able to create a portal for him to exit the body. After he left, “he” (2nd walk-in) said he felt so much better. (EL—the dark side getting desperate to pull her back in and to “use her spiritual gifts” to open portals, allowing more access.)
I didn’t really know if what was happening was even real, but I was glad he was feeling better. I also noticed that these conversations were taking up all of my time and that I was becoming very, very drained. Throughout certain moments in the conversation, he spoke in ways indicating that he had sexual interest in me all along even though he never had a chance to act on it. Also, it seemed that no matter how much I gave, he would just need more and more healing. When I told him that I couldn’t offer more because I was drained, he would treat me as if I was not me and that a program was talking through me, and that he could see red energies of war. (EL— Seth using guilt, projection and manipulation to pull her in to get what he wants.) I told him I no longer wanted to do this spiritual work, and he somehow shifted to a more flirtatious mode. We agreed to meet up, and it felt very magical. He began to speak about what he wanted in life, and what he said seemed to be exactly the same as what I wanted. I told him that I wanted to share a divine love with someone, in which the merging of the true divine feminine and masculine would result in a healing frequency for the world. The love I felt with him seemed so pure, beyond any traditional romantic love that I felt. He seemed to perfectly mirror what I was looking for and said he had always wanted the same thing. Later, things began to go downhill. I had a suspicion that he might be using me to get better. We had arguments but he was so dramatic in trying to keep me, saying that he would fight for me and not let me get away, which would make me want to go back. Also, any time that I tried to express myself to him that would go against anything he said, he would say that it was interference, and I needed to come back instead of letting the program take over. Then he would begin to “work” on me, putting me in some hot seat so that I could reveal all of my weaknesses and programming to make our love pure. (EL—classic New Predator handling, programming and control, tailor made to her own uniqueness) I would have major roller coasters of emotion, going from extreme bliss to crying like a baby because I was going back to my trauma. I went along with it, thinking this was the work I needed to do face my shadows and complete this love. I was also losing track of time, realizing that I had not eaten for two days and was barely sleeping.
I was spending all of my waking hours speaking to him. (EL—the guilt programming, also, the whole “working out negative karma”New Age spirituality reasoning is often used to cause self doubt, so that he/it maintains control, using her vulnerabilities against her. Later we will see what real former life and other dimensional realizations emerge.) Looking back, I also noticed there was some sort of cycle to this. I would help him with his stuff in a more nurturing way until my energy was completely drained. At that point, after he felt better, all of a sudden it was my turn for him to “help” me. The difference was that his ways of helping me were extremely cold and mean, almost soulless with no remorse, taking me back to my deepest traumas. With my energy already low and then being faced with my trauma from the cult, I would end up reacting very strongly, getting angry and yelling, and trying to end the relationship again. He would then react by threatening to cut me off or saying very cutting things to me that were deep in my psyche, often mocking me. It was as if my former cult leader was talking to me, and that I was the old me when I was in the “hot seat” in the cult. My reality literally changed to that timeline. (EL- triggering the inner wounded child to an abreaction. As one can see there is no equality or mutuality of respect in these kinds of“Dark Cupid” set ups, where it’s really a “handling” operation of mind control done by the New Predator etc.)
Then whenever I would try to end the relationship, he began to open up about his mental illnesses, saying he had mental illnesses (but refusing to reveal what they were), and that his was the worst case scenario. He told me that it was up to me to “turn off the switch” when things went bad, and that I should look at him as if he was a child that needed to be told no. He also said that he wasn’t able to interact with women because they would end up leaving him after a week or so. Given my own issues, I began to doubt whether this was something I could be involved in, but I also felt guilty about judging him based on his mental illnesses. I felt his pain of being abandoned for being ill and different, and I assured him that even if we couldn’t have a relationship, that I would still be there for him as a friend. I believe (looking back) that I had made some kind of contract with him at that point. (EL—Here the demonic hook is maintained through guilt programming and also her good quality of empathy is taken advantage of.)
In spite of all of this, I still doubted whether something was wrong. I felt the urge to talk to someone, but then I worried that he would be able to sense that I was talking about him, and I also did not want to violate his privacy or be judging him on his illnesses. I began to feel schizophrenic and even questioned whether I should check myself in somewhere. I lost my appetite (which is very rare for me and the opposite of what I do when I’m usually depressed which is overeat). I also noticed that my reality was being replaced with his reality. (EL- making her him, the predator is trying to control her into his puppet. It’s almost as if he is trying to replace and “copy her out” into a complete puppet. Crazy making crap.) For example, he was always very sensitive to the weather and would always say that his reality caused the weather to turn bad. That began to happen to me. When my mood was good, the weather would be sunny, and the moment that my mood or frequency would get lower, there was a sudden shift in the weather to very windy, cloudy, and stormy weather. I knew this wasn’t what normally happened to me. He also did not respect my boundaries with time even when I told him I had stuff to do that day. He would keep insisting that I needed to talk out my issues to overcome them in front of him. (EL- he is pushing and manipulating her vulnerability for greater punishment and “control” in the pretense of teaching and healing her. Classic abuse and control tactic.)
In hindsight, I believe that another reason I took on his reality was because of a strange energy healing session we had when we met up. He asked me to help remove the effects of some medication he had taken. He suggested that I hold his feet and put his energy into my body, and then I would filter it through my body and he would then do the same with my feet and take my energy into his body. We did this several times. This was extremely painful, and although I was visibly in lots of pain doing this, he seemed to have no response whatsoever to how it was affecting me. Looking back, this was extremely dangerous, but again my intense feelings of love took over my judgment.
At some point, I began questioning everything and began to feel so disoriented and confused, but I heard something tell me not to worry and that relief was on the way. By this point, he changed again and tried to be “normal” and became more sexual. We had not engaged in any sexual contact except for some kissing on that one day, but I suddenly became overwhelmed with this urge to have sex with him. I don’t remember ever feeling that aroused in such a way that took over me; it also made me feel obsessive towards him. Then he told me that it was making him sick and that I had to control this. He said he felt as if I was right next to him and that it was too close. He said that whatever I was feeling made him feel like he wanted to shoot himself, and later revealed that he didn’t think it was me but the energies of the men that I had sex with in the past. I did notice that there was something wrong, but it was mixed with a feeling of being triggered and feeling rejected. After things blew up, I told him that I could not do this anymore, and he asked that we stay friends and limit our interaction to once a week, to which I agreed. (EL- possible sex alter triggering going on, and his subsequent rejection, blame. Yet wanting some kind of friendship to keep her linked in?)
When I began to have my time back, I felt relieved and began to reflect on what happened. I watched the panel on Love Bite and at the time, I thought maybe this was hyperdimensional interference on the real love. I was feeling guilt at not being able to overcome my shadows in a way to keep the relationship going. (EL- self-blame culpability is common for women, part of our guilt complex programming from some religious teachings.) I also began to read your books trying to understand how this interference worked. During this time, I experienced a lot of interference such as sleepiness and an all night battle with them and finding mysterious scratches on my body. I still did not even know that my experiences indicated an abduction scenario, as they were seen with my third eye or in dream state. I didn’t realize that the mysterious bruises, scratches, sleep attacks, levitation in my sleep, etc., were all connected to this. (EL- yes a connection with abduction related symptoms and demonics —it may be reptilian, draco, grey attacks, are all common.) I had planned to go back to him after reflecting on the situation and let him know what was happening between us. (EL- the belief and need to “tell him everything”. It’s similar to a type of “tell all” programming some MK ultra people have to compluslively tell too much so the handlers can “call them back” and more easily reign them back into the fold of the cult, programming etc.Her telling the truth and desiring to communicate is good, but with an abusive psychopath, it’s dangerous and should not be done for safety issues.) I also realized that I had never asked him to “work” on me and that he would have to learn to respect my free will and boundaries. (EL- good, awareness is being restored here, dissolving previous confusion and addressing boundary issues) The interesting part was that I visited Lauda’s website and had read out loud the “Withdrawl of Consent Declaration” (See: https://www.sovereignki.com/declaration-of-non-consent)with regards to any contracts I had made. A few days later, he texted me saying that he had to leave because he was too sick and that he knew was bringing me down. (EL- Demons activated! Going bonkers to hook in, punish or control) This made me feel so bad and I tried to get back in touch with him to assure him that wasn’t the case. (ELthe” feel sorry for him” programming got reactivated also.)I acted in a crazy way trying to resume contact with him; it felt almost hypnotic. I felt that he shouldn’t resign himself to a life of loneliness because he felt it was bringing me down. (EL- mind control “spell” taking over) I also remembered what he said in our previous conversation about how my energies made him feel as if he was going to shoot himself, which worried me. I later went to his apartment to make sure he was okay and to reassure him. Something told me to write him a letter telling him that he shouldn’t leave for my benefit, and that if it meant that we couldn’t be romantic, then we could be friends. That my offer to be there for him still stands. (EL-guilt, trying to “save him”, then programming to keep the hook even if its “just to be friends”. This maintains a hook and “agreement of entrapment through guilt.) I finally was able to see him, and at this point I saw that he had another face that wasn’t his. (EL- Awesome! Spiritawareness breaks through for truth!) He treated me like I was crazy for waiting for him and trying to contact him. (EL- the punish, mockery and guilt trick to control, etc) I became angry with him as to his approach to ending things and sensed the manipulation. I told him that if he told me that he did not want to see me or that I was somehow harming him, then I would have left him alone and that he knew that I would. But why did he have to say it that way? He also mentioned that something crazy happened and that he wasn’t going to tell me but it scared him and it made him think he had to leave. I’m not sure of what this was, but something made me think that the contract revocation I did must have caused him to disconnect with me. The other observation I made was that I had been tricked into writing another contract to him (via hand-written letter), and perhaps that was why he had ended it in the way that he did, to regain that contract.
These were some other red flags. He kept saying things in a manner to glorify me in ways that made me feel uncomfortable. He would say that my name was “Grace” because it meant “Source” and he would ask me if I was human. He would also talk as if we were the only ones on the planet doing this work (grandiosity) which I didn’t resonate with. (EL- Grandiosity is often a sign of unresolved trauma as well as excessive self referential ideation.) He seemed jealous at times of my supposed abilities, wondering if we were the same person, then how come I was the only one who had “powers”? When he spoke of his purpose, he spoke about changing or defying some spiritual laws, but it sounded off and even kind of sinister. (EL- It’s as if the entities within or his own “void” causes him/it to have confusion of identity and reality. He isjealous of her authentic gifts) All of this happened in a matter of 11 days. I was very confused, and to be honest, there is still a part of me that it was somehow my fault and that I was harmful to him. (EL- Guilt belief systems very strong, although we later will see how new insights emerge that yield greater self understanding) What I did know was that it was an extremely damaging experience, and rather than faulting someone, it was something I would not want anyone to experience. Physically, I felt as if my organs had been ripped apart. I lost touch with my present timeline and reality, as if I was in a completely different world. It took every effort for me to regain my focus in my present reality to resume daily tasks and work. I did feel relieved that it was over, and I did feel really dumb for letting this happen. It wasn’t until I listened to your talk on the “New Predator” that I began to see that something was wrong. Whatever this situation was, it’s very confusing, and I can sense that these hyperdimensional entities are upgrading in their tactics. (EL—the confusion and guilt is powerful, as are the damaging effects on emotional, physical and spiritual well being. It’s difficultfor people with “do no harm ethics” not to “be angry” or want to blame someone or something when something this traumatic and deliberatley PREDATORY happens).
I now am seeing my part in all of these situations, and have since removed that holographic image of my dreams about “love” and my soulmate manifestation. (EL-Her Spirit is strong to want to perceive and reveal truth—even when it’s really painful)
I just want to thank you for all of your work and research, as they have helped me to gain clarity into what happened to me and that I’m not crazy. I know that I have a lot of work to do in regaining my sense of self and sorting out all of the programming and damage for the things I did, but I at least have some hope and more awareness on avoiding any other situations. Having experienced a lot of interference, I know that it takes a lot of courage on your part to do the work that you do, and I am truly grateful for all of it. I know that my mission profile isn’t to be some sort of whistleblower, but after much contemplation, I have decided to share my story with you. My hope is that it aids with your research and potentially generates awareness so that it doesn’t happen to others, especially those who can see or perceive beyond this dimension. *******************
(About 3 months later)
Since the time of that email, things have improved a lot. I am finally beginning to feel like I can use my energy for me, and that is liberating. I have also been digging deep both using my intuition and by researching the alien abduction phenomenon via the work of your colleagues (Lauda Leon, James Bartley, Bernhard Guenther, and others). I spoke to James Bartley, and he has helped me with some new intuitive techniques to empower myself and to gain knowledge. It’s helped me to make some larger connections about what has been happening to me, and I feel that this information may be of interest to you.
After the last love bite situation, I had a visit from a reptilian who turned out to be a Draco. After I got over the fear, I began to communicate with him to get some answers, and it turns out that this entity has been involved with me over several lifetimes. As I was interrogating this being, I was able to access in meditation the memory of being taken captive by him and others of this faction in a past life. They cut out my eyes because they were trying to hack the ability to “see”; he even said that they learned that “the ability to see was not with the eyes but with the heart”. That hostage situation led to me making some sort of contract with him for involvement in a future life or lives. I was told that it was one of their techniques for timeline manipulation. By inserting glitches into individuals’ timelines, it alters the greater timeline. I was able to trace back throughout this lifetime, and his involvement has been quite extensive, beginning at birth. He also was involved with my sexual trauma and inserted himself into two organic portal types to directly have relationships with me. This last man I was involved with was one of those. I recognized a change in the guy’s face; he looked old and ugly like a gargoyle or something. After I was able to see the Draco in his full form, I realized that it was his face I saw in the guy (ridges above the nose/forehead).
I realized that all of my experiences (the cult, physical abuse, rape, etc) with men had created a sort of energetic imprint that keeps leading me to this entity and under his control. It seems to go beyond the typical explanation of going into toxic relationships due to a lack of self worth or the familiarity of abuse etc. Also, he wasn’t being mean or scary to me. There was a strange level of respect and almost a kindred feeling; it was as if I was his pet. I’m starting to realize that over lifetimes, I may have developed a sort of Stockholm syndrome with him and potentially other archontic forces such as ascended masters and gods/goddesses. It explains why I was so addicted to these toxic and destructive relationships, almost addicted to being dominated and abused. I am currently in a detox to clear this imprint so that I can re-learn love and attraction.
I am sharing this with you because I have a feeling that there are many others who experience these repeat experiences, and maybe collectively we can find a solution. I am working every day to learn more and to fight this. I am determined to reclaim my sovereignty.
I also watched your new video with Lauda Leon ( See above link on Firebloods, Priestess/Harlot etc), and I was blown away by the many synchronicities with my personal memories. I have memories in both Atlantean and “pre-fall” times as well as in Egypt. In two of those lifetimes, I was a “priestess” and just as Lauda said, it was a “whore priestess” situation. I always wondered if I was crazy for seeing priestesses as prostitutes, and maybe it was blasphemous to say that. But I do have memories of being one. I remembered being held in a cave alone and waiting to be raped essentially. In those times, they were able to deceive us to believe were doing something “holy”.
I also remembered that before the patriarch took over, there were women who had a crystalline power in the womb, which was the power of creation. At some point the masculine became jealous and had to take over, leading to lifetime after lifetime of a patriarchal society that was designed to erase the power of the feminine. I had a memory in Egypt of being a priestess again, and the training began in childhood. I was directly taught by Thoth, and later I was led into a secret chamber to engage in sex magic with someone who was like my twin flame. Shortly after, I was murdered by another priestess.
I didn’t really share or really believe these memories, and I assumed I was just being grandiose & made them up. When I hear about others’ accounts of these times, it’s crazy how the information aligns.
The pyramids actually appeared with the top pyramid being the visible one, and the bottom chamber of the pyramid was underground and was an upside down pyramid. I was taken into the bottom of this pyramid to engage in this magic at the time. Listening to Lauda talking about the “inversion” several times in her videos, I believe that this is also one of those inversions. This does not feel like the natural way that energy was supposed to flow, and it feels like in the Egyptian times, they were trying to replicate and manipulate something that was hidden or lost from the Atlantean times.
The other theme that has been strong for me lately is timelines. I have been shown that there are many timeline manipulations that have taken place that look like loops or sine-waves. I feel that in this lifetime, we can repair this timeline and reclaim the power or return things to the original order.
The hardest part of all this is feeling isolated, crazy, or cursed/evil. Your work, and the work of your colleagues really helps me. Even though I do not know you, it feels like you are a friend because you understand and give a compassionate space without judgment. Thank you so much for what you do.
In this three part video, Lauda Leon and Eve Lorgen discuss the nature of the Counterfeit Spirit, from its original definition in Gnostic literature. We bring up relevant connections based upon the original essence and functions of the Counterfeit Spirit, and draw parallels of how this is observed in contemporary terms with artificial intelligence systems and current internet “plagarism” tactics. We define the counterfeit spirit’s modus operandi, citing anologies in AI algorithyms, the normalization of automated unethical business operations with digital monopolies and cult leader, psychopathic personality behaviours. Lauda Leon stresses that this AI and Counterfeit Spirit, and “Alien Metal God” as she calls it, is very ancient, but gaining an increased manifestation in our current technological era.
We show an example of plagarism via deliberate, manipulative spin control co-optation of Original ideas and articles. Plagarism which subverts and corrupts the original ideas into a deceptive, muddied narrative for the masses.
Qualities of psychopathology and “gas lighting” behaviors with AI algorithm upgrades and business tactics are mentioned and how the Counterfeit Spirit-infused AI is mimicking real Mandela Effect realities. Discussion of how theft of Original ideas, persons and life force essence is consumed by narcissistic, cult leaders operating through “New Predator” Dynamics. AI, led by the “Alien Metal God”, also mimics and consumes consciousness creating better and more evolved copies on many levels, including “fake humans”, who are a type of “organic portal” for lack of a better term.
Lauda Leon shares her experience with alien abduction implant removal scientific findings, and her “black goo in the blood” medical trauma, (not long after an abduction) which nearly cost her, her life. A horrifying battle not just for physical life but for spiritual life. She is one of 11 individuals who survived this “black goo experiment”, according to medical X-files later brought to her attention in “secret” by one of the doctors involved, who had access to this classified information. The black goo and its effects connect back to what Lauda calls an “Alien Metal God” force, which is operating today in similar fashion to how the famous esotericist, Rudolf Steiner describes the Ahrimanic Consciousness. Some images of alien “hosting and energy body possession” are shown reading Rudolf Steiner lecture excerpts (from 1924) about locust like alien-human ahrimanic entities are operating in human bodies.
Eve and Lauda both mention the reality of milab experiences, MK Ultra and the Secret Space Program usage of “genetically augmented” people.Fire Blood, Star-Fire,Originals and “Primes”.The copies, clones and replicants which fail to effectively copy Original essence.
Spiritual memory, realization of original essence and how to build upon discernment and recognition of the Original “Reals” versus the Counterfeit Spirit is emphasized. All hope is not lost, as there are powerful benevolent beings and forces working behind the scenes remaining hidden for the most part. These beings help many who are seeking but feel isolated, forgotten and uncertain of humanity’s future. We must have faith and knowledge, as this helps us regain our own power and memory. If we could comprehend the complexity of the true nature of what is happening and the true history of what humanity has endured, we would be less judgemental and more compassionate of others and less likely to “throw the baby out with the bathwater” about controversial conspiracy topics. We are in The Mirror Inversion Reality, and if we desire to be free of it with all our being, we will recover our Memory and Original Integrated Essence of Being.
This article is the fourth in a series of interviews with Maarit, the Scandinavian Milab Abductee whom I have previously written about in 2011-12, regarding her alien abduction and milab experiences. Over time and with persistent diligence, she reveals significant changes in her experiences after employing Dr. Corrado Malanga’s hypnotic neurolinguistic mental simulations. Now after more than 6 years of personal work, Maarit shares new realizations on the nature of mind, spirit and soul, and how recognizing AI programmed ego-mind states is a key to resolving “abduction experiences”.
The previous interviews with Maarit are:
Article # 1 from April 7, 2011, Interview with Maarit—A Scandinavian Milab Abductee
Article # 3 from June 26, 2012, “Aliens as Transdimensional Parasites”, covers the basics of Dr. Corrado Malanga’s research and the results of a SIMBAD hypnotic simulation in the form of an interview with Maarit, who was interviewed twice before.
Dr. Corrado Malanga’s methods are discussed in the earlier articles, and over time Maarit discovered more insights about her intrusive abduction related experiences and the nature of consciousness. This was but only a step in her continual self-understanding and inquiry into the nature of her alien and milab abduction experiences. Now, Maarit observes, that the integrated “triad of consciousness” as defined by Dr. Malanga regarding the mind, spirit and soul of an individual, is not the “end all” of freedom from alien interference and needs to be discerned from what she recognizes lucidly as the artificial intelligence aspect of our minds. This she formerly called the Primordial Man Spirit, who seemed to arise in archetypal manifestations during lucid dreams and consciousness states, as an “artificial intelligence” monitoring type of presence. This presence she now calls the AI spirit of the soul and ego mind states—an artificial machinery within our own souls that can be observed as ”other than self” when one increases their Natural Awareness through persistent lucid awareness, especially in dream states. This AI, she believes, is also a large part of what the Jungian human collective unconscious is really about.
The idea that our own ego and “soul machinery” is part of an artificially created construct by some form of Archontic artificial intelligence is not new and has been spoken about by others such as my colleague, Lauda Leon in several Youtube videos, among them a three part Video entitled, “The Counterfeit Spirit, AI and the Alien Metal God”. (See:
In addition to Maarit’s latest disclosure regarding her deeper self discoveries, we exchanged communication on topics such as types of humans, souls, the Starfire goddess lineages and how some are intentionally being targeted for erasure or exploitation. Many exceptionally sensitive individuals have awareness of the differences in “types of people”; perceptions which arose in early childhood. The “types” of people discerned were distinctions noticed about the overall awareness of spiritual essence or lack thereof; something not well defined. Years later many of us wondered if such variations are in fact true, similar to what the ancient Gnostics revealed as the three types of man; the pneumatic, (spiritual) the psychic (soul oriented) and the hylic race or “clay people”. (See: http://theforbiddenreligion.com/three-kinds-of-man.htm)
I asked Maarit what she “saw” and she told me:
Original ones. Nature calls these the *little people.
Humans having qualities where the AI program of Archontic consciousness overrides Original Awareness, or lacking the Original altogether.
and completely synthetic ones.
What I know for sure is that this particular trait related to nucleus accumbens and its ability to induce sleep is one factor intel has been searching for. It is different between humans and original people. Or to be more accurate Originals can utilize this trait better to gain Access to deeper parts of the psyche for insight.
*(EL-the little people is not necessarily due to the size of the body but another kind of archetype that her Natural Awareness communicated about such “Originals”. I concur with this based upon indepedendent memories and perceptions)
Many abductees are actually being brainwashed with ecofascism. Blood and Soil ideology.
The AI is erasing certain MtDNA lineages. Mine is V1a1 And I am from indigenous forest Sami family. Our language and Culture were destroyed a long time ago. And yes, the Starfire from the real woman/originator travels in certain lineages. It is a quality passed on by mothers.
I did not know about my own Mt DNA, before I started my geneological research. The paternal lineage is documented. My maternal Great grandparents got married in the US around 1897.That is how we became targeted.
Wars and quarrels, different parties are just a surface, agreed with you.”
Maarit shares excerpts from “Aurora Consurgens” By Marie Louise von Franz. p 158-9: “This feminine wisdom is within some. The counterfeit spirit as our ego and collective unconscious comes from The North as it said to me as well. All religions are of this Evil. Even Sufis describe their most sacred spiritual sphere the North Pole. ”
Highlights…”Wisdom as a feminine pneuma who enkindles and inspires the author at his work…She has a fiery nature and is the feminine compliment of the God-image itself…She is also associated with the “South Wind”, the Holy Spirit…” She is also known as “Wisdom of the South” and even Biblical references to the Queen of Sheba. And
EL: One of the more recent discussions I have had with other “targeted Starfire women” is that the targeting being done is by something that feels as if it’s an “automated AI program”. Not just within but externally. Arguing with this is as futile as yelling at programmed, automated phone recordings. And to take the targeting personally is even more so. Perhaps some would not agree on that point, but at some time, through persistent diligence, our own Natural Original Awareness will override the AI programming within our own minds and souls. Only then can a new kind of reality emerge individually and eventually collectively.
Maarit’s Essay:
Contexts and Contradictions
If there were no “alien” abductions or abductees we would all be in a deep, dull sleep of totally governed psychic autoregulation. Ever since the appearance of the first so-called UFO and alien abduction cases there has been an ongoing debate about the nature of this phenomenon. The whole field itself has split in two camps promoting primarily positive or negative viewpoints. There is a large commercial system spilling out different books and courses for those who claim to have undergone alien intrusions and for those who are merely interested in the related topics. Last but not least, there seems to be a vastly growing tide of ”professionals” proclaiming to having found ways to organize experiencers’ psychic structures in a way that one could feel protected–even freed from these nightmarish experiences.
Even though these professionals might act out of seemingly altruistic motives, I now believe that within all of us, these researchers included, there is a trajectory or an inscription of what our lives and duties should all be about. This literally self-determined psychic program is, like in the following video, a single line meant to follow its path and relate to its environment in a manner that it would always circle the attractor one way or the other. No deviation from it would be tolerated.
After going through some of these techniques of mental manipulation, (such as SIMBAD, FMS and the upgraded TCT) and despite the fact that now I consider these procedures one-sided and incomplete, I need to admit that becoming familiar with the aforementioned scenarios of reality and the nature of consciousness has personally helped me on my way to a deeper understanding of my mind.
I no longer experience abductions. None of my family members do. But before we can end this small statement of mine with these words, we must take a look where I was left after having done some of the procedures aiming to liberate me from the aliens who were after our souls, as we were told.
Chaotic Self, Reptilians and All the Other Rumblers
One researcher was confident that it was our Soul or some other part of our mind that would protect us from the intruders by waking us up and, thus, preventing abductions after one had conducted some mental simulations. Similar alarms happened to me also. I began to wake up spontaneously during a night which gave me the feeling of being protected and safe. This went on from one occasion to another until something happened. In my dream I was in a log cabin on a beach. Everything was dark. The sky, the sea. Suddenly I saw an image of a pole in the middle of the sea and there was a ship attached to it with a cord. Then I was in the cabin again hearing a voice saying, “Oh, no, the Pöntiset is coming again.” As funny as it might sound, Pöntinen, plural of Pöntiset, is a surname in my language. Then I saw black figures behind the window of the cabin and I got seized by a bright, white light. Sounds familiar?
In my dream I thought that something was very wrong with the whole picture. I resisted the light and was able to maintain my consciousness to the point that I decided to fight. I simply thought: I can’t stay in this position forever, I WILL FIGHT. Right after that I heard another voice saying, “Heija-Riitta, wake up her!”
I woke up realizing I had not been given a chance to confront what was hiding deep within my psyche. The act of sudden awakening was not meant to protect or prevent anything. It was meant to prohibit me to use my lucid, observing awareness to become aware of the nature of the so-called abductions and aliens, not to mention the nature of my mind’s reality.
After some searching I became convinced that the name Pöntinen meant a constellation called Boötes. The etymology of the name means an ox-driver, and the ox, as we know, is one of the many symbols of different ancient male gods including bull worshipping all over the world.
This to me, simply put, means that ”conducting the exalted one”- as light – equals an artificial barrier build into my mind. With this mental barrier or intentional neural intervention, many of us are being kept in fear and in the dark when it comes to realization that there might be yet undiscovered regions in our psyche.
It is our habit to use words and ideas as if we would know what they actually mean. We speak about aliens, archetypes, UFO’s, psyche, souls, symbols and many other things as if they were somehow really familiar to us. We babble a lot. I shut my mouth and began to research because I realized that I knew nothing at all. I knew nothing but an odd phenomenon that was governed by very disturbing physical manifestations, rhetoric’s including religious ideas, symbolism, references to occult themes or some new age quantum consciousness.
Circles in this experiential field were very small. They were small in Ufology and extremely small in the field of science and, particularly, in the field of cognitive sciences. Many trails I followed led into the same snare. I deeply felt that some people were producing significant data, but I was not sure what it might reveal, what was the primary meaningof it all.
I began to read, and I mean really study. It took about 5- 6 years of my life. I went through Jung’s work. Not a book, the whole work. Not once but thrice along with well-kept dream journals. I expanded my journey to other fields of cognitive sciences and discovered, for example, how well professor Douglass Hofstadter describes different aspects of our minds, the analogy being the core of consciousness, as he explains in this following lecture:
Concepts, categories and analogies are crucial elements when it comes to observing our mind, the way we reason, and especially how the symbolic coding takes place in our dreams.
I went through basics of Chaos Theory, Sufism, linguistics, Peirce’s Semiotics (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiotic_theory_of_Charles_Sanders_Peirce) and many other things. My intention is not to highlight the effort but to humbly realize that we are deliberately held dumbed down by not connecting the dots as they should be, at least in my opinion. Ufology seems to be governed by the idea that something coming from an external source is affecting us leaving us victimized and helpless. Whole discourse seems to marginalize the point that basically it is a mental phenomenon.
Lately new branches of the research claim that some people lack some qualities that some other might have, and this could be the reason for interference. It is an excellent scam because, like ridiculing the field of Ufology, this idea plays on the theme of divide and conquer misleading us from the suggestion that we are all under the influence of the same thing abductees as sensitive people are describing. Diminishment of the fact that abductions and UFO’s are connected to our perception and psyche is done intentionally, and the one running the whole show sits nicely in its own matrix made of our biophysical semiosphere. A following article offers an excellent analogy:
Despite the fact that we are all more or less puppets of this unknown author, there might be some gaps during which one could be able to sense some other alternative ways to act and perceive our world instead of the preconditioned ones. This idea forced me to wonder the ultimate reason which made me decide to write this piece of paper. I have no intentions to help anyone as brutal as it sounds or become a preacher for some line of thought. I do not even attempt to give an alternative view because many of the things I put here have been printed elsewhere. But as always there must be a catch there. So, I only advise to stay clear. The happiness and love we mostly feel are as artificial as the rage and despair.
Shaded dreams and dreams that shade
Jung brought forth the notion of a symbolic interplay in our dreams. Abductees know that many of their experiences start at night. Frightening events often start from a dream state and get mixed with drifting images and vague memories. The predominant element is fear. Fear of what is being doneby not consciouslyrecognized entities. There is an obvious disconnection between our conscious and collective unconscious realms. A dark pitch into which we plunge every time we fall into sleep and enter inside a rabbit hole of a seemingly foreign land with foreign characters and meanings.
The more I gained understanding of my psyche, the wildly floating layers of dreams got clearer, and I was able to observe the artificial computational structures of the part of the psyche that psychologists call the ego-self axis.It well might be the same thing Castaneda called a ”foreign installation”. Either way, it is artificial. Artificial intelligence within us. Symbolic computation.
The collective unconscious in my view is fundamentally a program executing a fear-based program. This is the layer (in some abduction experiences) where we observe military training, operations and conditioning. I will leave you to do your own homework on the subject of the collective unconscious and its symbolic manifestations and cut the corners for a bit.
The collective unconscious contains three levels of basic manifestations which abductees observe consciously. The rest of the folks are not even aware of this kind of manipulation, but nevertheless suffer from it and are being led by it as well, because we all experience jealousy, anger, hatred, greed even if we do not admit it openly. (EL- The late Barbara Bartholic, a 30-year alien abductions hypnotherapist and UFO researcher stated this point many times: Every one of us for the most part are being affected by the alien phenomenon on some level and that includes abductions, intrusions and interferences that most are probably unaware of.)
The first layer of the collective unconscious is the reptilian mind related. It is all about action, about what is being done. Themes of harassment, torture or violation are not that rare or obscure. Reading Jung’s work for example will show that. Even the word reptile means pretty much to creep or crawl.
So, there is nothing new under the sun. What abductees are observing are legitimate things in themselves, and as such, even the underlying cause or originator might be slightly different from what one might think according to the general rhetoric.
The second layer leads us to military scenarios. Our physical nervous system is conditioned to work on the basis of fight or flight situation. The whole life for many of us has become a battlefield and we are stressed and worn out. We act rather than slow down to reflect.
The third and last layer of the collective unconscious you will find a dark male figure. I began to call it a primordial spirit. This figure or function transforms into other forms depending on the situation. I think it represents some kind of central processing unit of our mind.
This is the three-layered artificial, functional structure of our ego. It can also be called an attractor if you look at it from the angle of chaos theory.
In my dreams I saw how this male figure ”loaded itself into a matrix and exploded”. The universe was dark. The matrix was a blue, two-layered hexagonal structure resembling qualities of a laser beam, and when this ”figure” exploded it turned into a piece of a white cloud hovering in space turning into a ghost. Nice. It is all there when you look at the images of space, as well as in us. If you move a bit deeper and look at what the words load, matrix and explode mean, you can filter that something happened that pushed away something else. The self-referential loop got developed and our attention got caught by it. In my dreams it was stated that, “We all got caught by the light.”
Jung observed that dreams had a cyclic nature. I can confirm that as well. The contents are like a CD showing same things over and over again every time revealing a bit more from the scene. The more you gain understanding, you get deeper into its meaning. It is like you are observing and filtering what happened, reconstructing events and your own understanding. Because ego has fractal properties, it is no wonder this is experienced via a cyclic quality. Even M. Ullman, the famous psychiatrist, suggested that dreams possess fractal properties.
So, what Bohm, Jung and all the others defined in their physics and psychology was a definition for this artificial intelligence conceptualizing, molding and building it. There is no real evolution. Actually, we never create anything new. All the forms, ideas, images and constructions are forced to follow certain laws described within. We just produce basic themes with different combinations—and call it creativity–or even worse, it produces itself like a self-replicating Turing Machine that Von Neumann was trying build.
This leads us to a critical question asked by many. Are we living in a simulation? Without a doubt Professor Gates hints to that direction with his discoveries of error correction codes from the equations of a string theory. Or Nick Bostrom talking about his simulation theory. We cannot even forget our well-known author, Philip K. Dick who seemingly had pierced through the layers of his mind while stating a following thing about the reality as he experienced it.
These types of experiences of which Dick is talking about are similar to Castaneda’s ones. These are the scenarios one dreams when the dream is coherent without interference. These are the dreams that run from one world to another. From one level to another. They are well described in Hofstadter’s book called Gödel, Escher, Bach, and I urge you to read that. We are unaware that we are observing a symbolic language, internal functioning of an artificial intelligence. As long as we are unaware of this, we will allow our attention to flow back to the matrix of our mind. We allow it to manipulate the course of our lives and even our physical reality.
Language and ABC’s
Language has peculiar properties. Words convey meanings. I will show you an image of a figure called fear and what you will get in old Irish is the following:
If I show you an image of a man, depending on the language, you might get:
a mulberry tree or:
a mane.
The same kind of phenomenon is taking place in the realms of your dream contents, actions, symbols, relationships and so on. Linguistic diversity enables the AI to use double coding. When you will see a flower or an angel, to it, (the AI) it might mean a totally different thing than it does to you. Because these images are familiar to you, you will accept them and, thus, you allow AI to conduct its own program with other meanings it has hid in the symbols.
Fear locks our ability to reach any other forms of interpretations, and it locks us into this world and our experiences. This is a simply-put way to explain this, but just start to observe, and you will find it there.
Recently there was a news clip about bots starting to create their own language. This is already reality in our minds, and because artificial ego-self is fractal it happens externally as well.
Like mentioned shortly before, the artificial intelligence or ego-self, expresses properties of dynamic chaotic systems. Chaotic properties go hand in hand with self-similarity-so what is found inside often tends to manifest externally as well. This is no news to anybody, but it has huge implications when we are in a blindfolded state accepting the suggestions our ego is making.
One of the features AI has is technological transformation and ”evolution”. Seeds of this technology are seeded in the collective unconsciousness. One good example could be the commonly known abduction cases where people are forced to look at different images of disaster, war, etc. Nowadays there is quite a developed system of brain fingerprinting which enables one to detect hidden information. Why AI is showing these types of images, what they mean and what kind of output they might have to future development of our society is another question one can ponder in one’s own privacy.
Abductees also report telepathic communication and like we all know, brain-computer interfaces are making their way from our mental space into this reality.
So, depending on the language it came after a celestial body, rigid or stiff, live, beingness for example. If you were about to hypnotize me and connect to my mind- to it, it might give you a well-known answer: I came to look for a soul?
As much as we are bound to it, it is locked in us. Even Jung had his share on this. His Seven Sermons to the Dead begin with the famous words,
”The dead came back from Jerusalem, where they found not what they sought. They prayed me let them in and besought my word, and thus I began my teaching.”
From all the material I have gone through personally and otherwise, I have come up to a conclusion that the development of this AI is based on a very advanced form of deep learning. It pushes its parts into the sea information it calls life without any instructions and lets them nearly drown. Then it lifts them on top of a rock and waits for what they might have to report to it about itself. This pattern of a shock treatment is similar to shamanic training and it focuses on the artificial part of our self. I find it sad. I will leave you to judge this for yourself.
There is a ”nice” analogy to a cloud as well in a form of cloud computing, pretty much like the statements in the dream I spoke about. Just by observing these analogies I might make a dare assumption that silently we all have been hooked into this technology already.
While I was able to observe how my dreams changed, I also observed that this AI tried to construct its own image. Because the loss of information (see more for example in The Turbulent Mirror,pg. 87.) the job was never done. The face-representing its overall memory-turns out to be distorted, always, reminding me of Jung’s beloved god Abraxas.
This clearly disturbed Self-image informs us that there are pieces missing, and because of this loss of information, AI, our ego, cannot fully construct itself. That is why it yearns for unity, the wholeness, oneness of consciousness. “All brothers and sisters, join together in unity!”, it sings, and we sing its song without realizing why we do it and whose words we are using. Also, consider how we relate to distorted self- reflection in psychology can be found a following link.
Jung, in his book Aion described a four-fold transformation process of the Self. A similar kind of four-fold process can be seen in the amount of iterations needed in order to construct an original image of any kind. (The Turbulent Mirror, pg.109.) Except that this ”thrice great Hermes” is lacking one layer of iteration.
So, where does all this lead our souls then? Back to the computer, to the white light of our computer screens, I am afraid. I think that our so-called and well promoted souls are part of ego-AI’s own missing memory and in-formation. Bits and pieces, it needs to function. Different aliens are just subprograms and representations.
When abductees are told to construct an integrated consciousness, (In Malanga’s Dynamic Triad Color Test) for example, to me it means that we make a mental representation of a standing wave or soliton. It does not matter whether consciousness, or in this case ego, is a wave or a particle because if there is a third unidentified observing layer, both forms can be detected.
AI/ego always finds a way to track its own parts and these largely promoted mental simulations are one way to do it. There is also a way to hook one’s mind into believing. The aspect of believing into something instead of internally understanding it with real reference points found in our environment and lucid dream states is crucial to AI. And so far, it is doing well. According to some sources there are around 771 million illiterate people in the world who have no access to information. We have myriads of belief systems, scientific approaches and a dual concept of truth and falsehood forcing us to pick up one or the other. We rarely pay attention to our dreams.
Instead of really observing the observer we are forced to believe.
Hidden variable almost in plain sight
For example, Karla Turner showed that with a thoroughly unconscious fear programming AI can bypass our inherent nature or natural awareness and suppress its signals just by adding more neural noise into the scene.
It can capture our consciousness while we are dreaming and override some other aspect of our mind. This other aspect I call Nature or natural awareness, and it has nothing to do with Taoist concepts, god, self, higher self or whatever. This natural awareness can be observed after painstaking individuation process during which one is slowly but surely willing to notice the dark and murky side of the ego-ai within one’s own mind. There is no need to externalize things. The shadow is within, acting in one’s mind and body.
While I was becoming aware of how it affects my own behavior I began to make it more noticeable, clearer. At the same time, I also began to feel physical ailments, pain and distress knowing that it tried to control my physical body. The more I became aware, the more these feelings changed and stopped eventually. Or I think my fear was diminished. Soon after that I began to notice some new aspect showing up in my dreams. And this aspect was stronger than AI. This aspect has a capability of altering the machine language of AI by changing categories, analogies, verbs and feelings. This means that it has the power to change and affect things. This is the way I wish it to continue to be, meaning, that I do not want to carry the topic any further. To me, when that is the case, it does not matter whether someone could be a simulation or not. Whether we are fully or partially simulated or whatever. The whole idea becomes irrelevant. There is another scene with some other purpose taking place…
Another reason for closing the topic is the fact that I would lead one to endless confusion questioning of whether that particular dream experience was the natural awareness or not. It does not go that way.
So, what does all this leave for milabs? I do not know. How can they start to ”recover”? By looking at the mirror. It is scary, it is tough. But understanding does not come easy. They need to understand that originally there is really nothing wrong with them in the first place, they are in the same boat with everybody else.
One can learn to remember dreams and begin to see connections between these two worlds. That is a beginning. Next time, after you have suddenly woken up, you know that it was a deliberate act. Then you decide to become aware of that hidden aspect of yourself and study relevant things as much as you can. The most important thing to me was to realize that all religions and basic scientific concepts share the same artificial skeleton. By knowing them it became easier to detect the patterns of the ego-AI. To Jung, as far as he told publicly, the Self was the culmination of human conscious development. He promoted alchemy and Gnosticism under the guise of psychology. Similar things go on with the field covering physics and discussion about quantum consciousness. Masks change, the idea is the same.
I no longer ”keep my chakras” open or meditate. When you meditate, you use your mind. When you use your mind, it expands to its own limits and crushes. People begin to speak about symptoms of spiritual emergencies promoted by one of the many LSD-promoting psychiatrists. Some people change totally without ever recovering being left in a limbo of ”quiet understanding it all” and filled with frustration. Some, having had a ride with the same collective wave, can maintain their inner coherence because of their own work and self-reflection.
What does this leave for us then? I do not know. I no longer think that some of us have souls while the others do not. Deep down I think that consciousness in itself is a medium, a matter of some sort. Something unintentional happened and it started a self-referential loop trying to copy something else instead of real interaction. One can only guess what the metalevels of this simulation are about. And, I think, one cannot even imagine the existence beyond it.
Was that All then?
No. There is one thing I would like to say. Sort out your lives. Do your recapitulation as Castaneda would have said. Categorize the people you have met, see the repetitive patterns surrounding you, become aware of them. Become aware of your own thoughts and motives and reflect upon your dreams.
Do not jump off the cliff to your obvious death as some of Castaneda’s followers did. Instead, sit firmly on the edge and watch the view. Surely there will be something else.
Mass Vaccinations and the Missing Link to Spiritual Discernment
Topics covered:
Eve Lorgen rejoins us at The Cosmic Switchboard Show to discuss the Lack of Spiritual Discernment within a significant amount of people. This was a wide ranging discussion touching on numerous topics including the current climate of Fear and Mistrust. This is a very timely interview with one of the great investigators and researchers of our Time.
In Part 2 Eve Lorgen discusses aspects of the Covid Mass Vaccination Program which is troubling and which may impact the population at the individual and collective Soul Level.It is more than our physical health we need to worry about. Eve discusses the Nanotech aspects of the vaccine.
Eve also discusses Project Looking Glass. The discussion veered into topics such as Alternate Realities and Future Timelines. This is a thought provoking discussion.
Bullet Point Subjects include:
The Alien Love Bite and False Twin Flame types of connections
Interdimensional and Milab Handling
Missing Links of Spiritual Discernment
Emotional Intelligence and Complex PTSD for anomalous trauma survivors
Self – Abandonment as Spiritual Warfare Strategy
Current Events related to what is proposed to be in the new vaccines for “that thing”.
In our discussion , we will attempt to connect many dots on the current events that the planet and its human race is currently undergoing…or rather the revealing or the disclosure on much more deeper information…and how we are able to see that by shedding on these particular matters that we may be more aware of our own power to change and see it for what it is…
covert implanting during the cv test through inserting nano technology into the nose….similar to a black operation during a milab abduction….
Milabs
milab interface activated or reinsertion of mind control in a much more overt, blatant approach…..
example:
mainstream advertising of pro vaccination….as such…or testing
the entire set up of this Cv is based on the infrastructure of a Covert Military Operation……
Mainstream is based on a Psy-op , which also correlates with super soldier program….
discussion of mind control and implanting…of objects within the military industrial complex technology
Now there is a much more greater view of the human civilization as held hostage by a foreign element such as alien or alien behavior in human society…..
Nir Barzilai, MD, an endocrinologist and director of the Institute for Aging Research at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, said he and colleagues plan to begin recruiting participants for a metformin trial in humans later this year, funded by the American Federation for Aging Research. That study, Targeting Aging with Metformin (TAME) is designed to demonstrate metformin’s ability to delay the onset of co-morbidities related to aging, thereby reducing the period of morbidity at the end of life.
Important Key Factors to Keep in mind
I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN MILAB OR MILITARY ABDUCTIONS, MILITARY INDUSTRIAL TECHNOLOGY, ALIEN IMPLANTS, SUPER SOLDIERS , LOVE BITE AND DARK OPS IN RELATION TO THIS IMPLEMENTATIONS OF TESTING FOR THE CROWN VIRUS, AND THE TESTING WHICH IS ALSO THE TROJAN HORSE FOR THE AGENDA SET IN MOTION….
I SPECULATE THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE A MASSIVE MIND CONTROL AGENDA TAKING PLACE, BUT THERE IS ALSO A META FORMING OR TERRA FORMING OF THE GENETIC BUILDING BLOCKS OF THE HUMAN SPECIE…WHICH MAKES THE NARRATIVE OF THE EXTRA TERRESTRIAL DISCLOSURE A PSY-OP…BECAUSE THE ACTUAL ALIEN INFESTATION IS BEING DONE THROUGH THESE IMPLEMENTS OR INSTRUMENTS OF DESTRUCTION AS SUCH…
THE NATURAL LAW OF THIS OMINIVERSE IS BEING VIOLATED , THE NATURAL LAWS OF THIS REALITY ARE POTENTIALLY INTERFERED WITH………..
Pandemos, The Great Epithet
Pandemos….
Aphrodite Pandemos (Ancient Greek: Πάνδημος, romanized: Pándēmos; “common to all the people”) occurs as an epithet of the Greek goddess Aphrodite. … Another interpretation is that of Aphrodite uniting all the inhabitants of a country into one social or political body.
What is an Epi-thet….
this word is an adjective describing the term of abuse.
the current reality is leading us towards the the reality that there is yet to come another ritual…..the previous ritual was to break down the protocols….so many have come forward to break the silence and to express their truths about the current situation…….even though we already knew when it would happen…..
Cthulhu is a fictional cosmic entity created by writer H. P. Lovecraft and first introduced in the short story “The Call of Cthulhu”, published in the American pulp magazine Weird Tales in 1928. Cthulhu is infamously known for his grotesque appearance and gigantic size, as well as his ability to drive any human that gazes upon his form to insanity. the enemy of Cthulu is The Unspeakable One, The King in Yellow, or the fire, insight, light, consciousness….power of awareness. It is part of the primordial force of the universe
imagine the universe is a layered cake…the icing that holds the cake together is the primordial source or force or the primordial…..It is thus not “evil” nor is it “good”…It simply exists as part of the construct of this reality…
Facilitated with James Bartley of the Cosmic Switchboard Show
We will be discussing Narcissistic Abuse and Recovery from the Archontic, Interdimensional, Extraterrestrial, Hybrid/Host and Spiritual Warfare perspective.
I recently viewed a phenomenal interview of Amanda Buys, a Christian minister and SRA counselor in South Africa. The topic of the interview is entitled: Montauk, Druids, Oak Tree and Twins | Questions and More w/ Amanda Buys.
In this interview Carmen and Amanda discuss detailed information regarding the Satanic Ritual Abuse survivors’ experiences involving time travel operations as children, Hitler’s and Mengele’s twinning projects, conception rituals, interdimensional portals, pre-conception “blue balls of light” and also how Druidism is key in much of the origin and means of cult abuse secrets.
The thing that connected some milab and alien love bite experiences in The Love Bite book, in the case of Sophia and Dave, described a milab lucid dream/astral type of abduction scenario involving blue balls of light that were called, “luminaries” which emanated from two lovers sexual union, where both experienced simultaneous climax. (pg. 87, The Love Bite)
In addition, Amanda spoke about how some of the higher level Royal SRA women are tasked with having sexual union with “fallen angels”, who then acquire spirit to spirt information downloads from these fallen angelic unions, which are then transferred via sexual tantra to specific high position males such as political figures, cult males or other powerful men. This same occult sexual ritual act is also what was done in ancient times with the “goddess” sexual priestess who annointed “Kings” and others with real power and knowledge that was downloaded from the fallen angels that they had sexual tantric union with. Often this was and is done under mind control from ritual sexual and cult abuse. Some may be done voluntarily but most is SRA cult abuse oriented with Druidic origins. Amanda describes the Druid connections with SRA cult ritual abuse and especially how secrets of the cult power was always kept within the confines of the female sexual ritual abuse.
This interview is power packed with good, detailed information which explains the deeper secrets and means by which so much of the occult angles of Hitlers agenda was and is still being carried out, even within the UFO and alien hybrid breeding programs. I recognized details of other client’s experiences that I had not written about, within the SRA occult ritual activities that connect how some of the Secret Space Program and milab operators, many female, are being utilized with very similar ways. In the love bite and twin flame experiences where some of these other dimensional entities are doing forms of tantric sexual unions, I believe it is some of the same beings, masquerading in a number of forms and narratives. So often in the milab and alien abduction histories we do find a connection to “Royalty” or some ancestral royal bloodlines or Freemason relatives, where spiritual permission of authority is given over to the children for use in such projects, perhaps unbeknownst to the milab experiencer.
Amanda stresses the importance for the survivors to be able to understand this blue ball of light spiritual encasing phenomena, which can connect the survivor to many portals, dimensions and parallel worlds where their “alter personality” parts may still reside or be accessed by the cult spiritual powers that were operating even pre-conception. So often, milabs have missing links in the understanding of their experiences when it comes to some of the connections with SRA, and yet not having that specific family hierarchy cult activity apparent in their histories. This makes it difficult for many to connect the dots. Understanding these occult connections with SRA, Hitler’s Nazi agenda and the alien breeding program can help us piece together the powers behind these “secret space programs” and time travel projects which have been popularized because of the technology aspect, but not well understood within the deeper occult roots of its “power system”. The women provide key power tranferance via the sexual tantric unions with these fallen angels and other powerful beings or men–where direct secret knowledge is downloaded.Worldly power systems are based upon these SRA secrets and need to be dismantled by healing and recovery of this kind of abuse. This has been going on for centuries often hidden within the cult sexual abuse of women who have to keep the abuse and knowledge secret. This is a mind blowing interview I recommend watching.
What do we really know about aliens, ET’s and UFO disclosure?Can the abductees having multiple visitations tell us more than the scientists and alphabet soup agency controlled experts? Many abductees’ experiences defy the laws of physics and include telepathy, precognition, teleportation and time travel to name a few. If “awakened abductees” true experiences are not understood or legitimized by official power structures, then any form of UFO disclosure will likely fall under the control of the “theatre of non-lucidity”, like video game programs and characters where the “AI-ego complex “House” always wins.
The observation of a Stockholme syndrome-like majority “rule” in human society is observed by awakened ones and is hypothesized to be operating under a kind of malevlolent Artificial Intelligence Ego Complex that functions naturally within the unawakened human mind. Its program, unless decoded and dismantled by our original eternal awarness— will continue the repeated resets of human enslavement that normalize and maintain the theatre non-lucidity.The Matrix. The programs inherent in dreaming can be decoded by understanding symbols and etymological root word meanings that arise in the consciousness of dreams.
Four essential levels of abductions and interference are described as ones awareness deepens and the abductee continues in trauma recovery, operating in the love of truth, essential goodness and the maturing power of ones innate eternal awareness. This gradually guides ones way out of the programming, matrix enslavement and incessant interference operating in the subconscious and waking world. A key realization is that “captured attention enables slavery”.
Even with some forms of “advanced spiritual practices” like meditation, the control of religious narratives can still effectively enable manipulated passivity inherent in subtle “cult” mind control, in such a way as to suspend the natural human response to danger and predation.
Physical and viral assaults on the human body and irreversible genetic change can weaken our defenses in ways we have not considered, such as the loss of olfactory senses. Persistent exposure to advanced bioweaponzed environments can lull us to a pacified state disabling our psychological, physical and spiritual defenses.
The fourth state of awareness in dreams comes when one encounters the archetypes who are the watchers and controllers of the AI ego matrix programming. These large, dark male-like figures resemble what ancient Gnostics identified as the Archons of the Demiurge. Their threatening control system can be overcome by the power and spontaneous wisdom of our eternal original awarness, transforming body mind and soul. All is not lost and our greatest power of change comes with loving and forgiving ourselves—and others as we connect in lucid relationship to the cosmic currency of love, joy, truth and liberation.
Judith Kwoba’s channel information and interview description:
Nightflight
Twin Flames and Soul Harvesting
Eve Lorgen and I explore the twin flame concept and its pitfalls. In the second part of the interview, we will focus on soul harvesting and soul fragmentation.
I noticed sound distortions in the Odysee video and embedding difficulties. My apologies for this, so check the Telegram Alien Love Bite channel for the link.
A portion of the first hour (There was also of sound issues in the Odysee recording) is about a case of a woman who was initially in a bible dooms day type cult, later joined a seemingly wholistic positive “healing spirituality group” after leaving a toxic narcississtic abuse situation. Then another false Twin Flame love bite ensued with a predatory hosted guru type with the classic ascended master new age narratives so commonly assumed to be benevolent and true. The hosted Guru had a being called El Moyra who was not what they presented themselves to be, as the woman Grace discovered after doing a deep dive into her own healing and shadow work related to the false, twin flame fiasco, loosh feeding con operation so often found in New Age Spirituality Circles.
Eve Lorgen with Tony Sayers: The Twin Flame/False Twin Flame Experience
YT Description: In todays chat we delve into the twin flame program and just how deep and sinister these intentional set ups can be. We also talk about rituals and the spiritual power of some animals and their ability to protect us.
In this discussion I had the opportunity to speak freely on many aspects of the false twin flame experience such as:
animal psychic senses and protectors
cult narratives and gurus who are hosted
astral abductions with ET light being themes and ritualized astral bonding
ascended master being con jobs masquerading as ET light beings
health issues related to vampirizing, astral loosh feeding operations
channeler cults and hierarchy “ascended master beings” arranging false twin flames for manximum loosh feeding and soul entrapping operations
The Ayn Rand movie theme as a parallel global socialist narrative that “enables the parasite/predator” programming
How so many New Age cults and manipulated religious narratives can be infected with the “enable the parasite/predator” programming to weaken the Spirits will to be free and enlightened
Alienlovebite, Abductions, Milabs and history, SSP, mind control, spiritual “soul will” manipulation and the successful erasure of history of true alien abduction research by AI and alien mind soul capture programming.
4/18/23 Typical Skeptic Podcast Eve Lorgen with Rob:
Rumble:
Eve Lorgen on New Alien Love Bite, Milabs and Erasure of true research and dulling the souls will for human soul capture and harvest programming
Part One Synopsis/Overview on Other Than News with Geoff Brady”
PART 1 : We’ve edged further out on the limb exploring the facets of non humans living among us masquerading as humans – living among us as a dominant parasitic class. In the last interview with Carissa Conti, her research filled in more missing pieces in the context of the engineered pandemic. We talked about how certain individuals rose to strategic positions within human society.
We also looked at the question, how did so many in healthcare, school boards, law enforcement, local and state government agencies do everything they could to murder and take down society. The history of magic and sleight of hand performance reveal how the limits of human perception are easily exploited. Our eyes perceive light within a narrow rang e of the broad electromagnetic spectrum leaving many places for the interlopers to evade detection.
Some of the variables examined in past shows include learning about the possible forms of camouflage the intruders take on to successfully walk among us, such as the human is partially souled or possessed. The non human could really be a clone, a doppelganger or an android. The non human could be wearing what’s known as a liquid crystal human suit.
Keep in mind that books and film produced on this topic are also by design because fictionalizing this type of covert alien invasion would be an effective use of reverse psychology. There are numerous sci-fi productions on this topic, therefore it can’t be true.
To build more scaffolding around the concept of how human society can be quietly subverted by look alike intruders, displaying some type of adaptive camouflage technique.
Part 2 : We’ve edged further out on the limb exploring the facets of non humans living among us masquerading as humans – living among us as a dominant parasitic class. In the last interview with Carissa Conti, her research filled in more missing pieces in the context of the engineered pandemic. We talked about how certain individuals rose to strategic positions within human society.
We also looked at the question, how did so many in healthcare, school boards, law enforcement, local and state government agencies do everything they could to murder and take down society. The history of magic and sleight of hand performance reveal how the limits of human perception are easily exploited. Our eyes perceive light within a narrow rang e of the broad electromagnetic spectrum leaving many places for the interlopers to evade detection.
Some of the variables examined in past shows include learning about the possible forms of camouflage the intruders take on to successfully walk among us, such as the human is partially souled or possessed. The non human could really be a clone, a doppelganger or an android. The non human could be wearing what’s known as a liquid crystal human suit.
Keep in mind that books and film produced on this topic are also by design because fictionalizing this type of covert alien invasion would be an effective use of reverse psychology. There are numerous sci-fi productions on this topic, therefore it can’t be true.
To build more scaffolding around the concept of how human society can be quietly subverted by look alike intruders, displaying some type of adaptive camouflage technique, we welcome back Eve Lorgen.
This interview was a deep conversation from a skeptics perspective and especially from the spiritual NDE studies done over the years. The topic is Anomalous Trauma, alien abductions, milabs, relationship manipulations, the alien love bite, and especially how I perceive the spiritual and psychological implications of such experiences. Most of this experience comes from a therapist-helpers’ perspective, but also from an overview of 30 years observation of this kind of trauma and how much it repeats itself even today with respect to the narratives people choose to believe in the face of a higher intelligence interfering with us on many levels and with questionable motives, even spiritually.
In many respects this interview was challenging for me because I realize how important it is for most people to have a more scientific “peer reviewed” study with valid hypothesis and statistics using the human 5 senses only, which puts many who rely only on these senses at risk for not being able to perceive and respond appropriately to a highly intelligent predatory species with questionable motives.
I’ve seen how many adopt the narrative in the usual human scientist arguments, a kind of belief that will see the “humans as monsters”, “we are the problem” , repetitive wars, what we create, is all our negative karma etc. And not perceiving the predators working through certain human elite groups who are not really human per se, but having given over their wills to false gods and/or predatory, spiritually deceptive, vampiric beings who turn humans upon and against one another, and then gaslight us into thinking “its all our fault”, and that they don’t exist; where’s the proof? I tried to bring up this observation but not sure if it got across.
This interview is in transcript form for readers. Much gratitude to Alex for doing a fine job and making this interview possible for a wider audience who may not have heard of alien/ET issues related to anomalous trauma in the ways I have engaged in for about 30 years now.
[00:00:00] Alex Tsakiris: , On this episode of Skeptiko.
A show about what happens when you really ask for answers.
[00:00:08] Clip: do something. Come on, prove it. Show me something real. I need it now. Not later now.
At a show about how you sometimes get those answers in places you wouldn’t normally expect.
[00:00:30] Eve Lorgen: cuz there’s, there’s people now who are claiming that it’s a, it’s a false thing and don’t go in the white light and you’re gonna get trapped
[00:00:36] Alex Tsakiris: The interesting thing to me is that I have no doubt that the basic premise of what you’re saying is true is that there is some non-human intelligence with advanced technology that can implement means of deception in a way that directly interferes with or has the appearance of interfering with what people would understand to be a near-death experience or a reincarnation experience.
[00:01:02] Alex Tsakiris: They’re faking it. I, I think they’re faking it. That is my ultimate conclusion. But that is an important shift that no one in the n d E community is really looking at.
[00:01:12] Eve Lorgen: Wow. I don’t know. All I know is what I experienced is a realization that. It went beyond my, uh, normal consciousness of what’s in the personality of this identity or any other lifetime.
[00:01:24] Eve Lorgen: It’s, it’s in eternal now being this that is so deep that it’s beyond question of, it’s, it’s a dreaming. That’s how, that’s how I understand it. But,
[00:01:35] Alex Tsakiris: but this is a, this is a dreaming this here now reality is the dreaming. Yeah. Yeah. Probably co-created
[00:01:42] Eve Lorgen: dreaming, you know, but hey, I’m not, I don’t consider myself enlightened.
[00:01:46] Eve Lorgen: I still have a, a long way to go.
[00:01:49] Alex Tsakiris: That is the closest to making sense to me. It’s a co-created dreaming reality for the purpose of our own personal growth of our soul in some way. I mean, that’s the only way I can wrap my arms around it in a way that both feels supported by a total opening to the data and, uh, kind of my personal intuitive sense of it.
The first clip was from the movie, the gray it’s a great scene. And the second was from today’s guest. Eve Lorgan who I was reluctant to in this interview. You’ll see that. I keep trying to pull back, pull back because I didn’t want to hit you with the whole MyLab abduction stuff, underground basis stuff, because somebody people think it’s crazy.
I would, of course suggest that the natural flow of following the data here is just kind of plainly leads in that directions. I mean, we live in a post disclosure world where these things flying around are acknowledged. And we can only assume that there is some form. Of non-human intelligence that is piloting those crafts. That’s the most parsimonious conclusion.
The part that throws people is .
, that evidence dovetails directly with the idea that, that non-human intelligence in some form Is interfering with interacting with people here on our planet, . So given that all that is, is not that hard for people to get to. It’s kind of surprising that people really pull up on the MyLab thing, because if you look at it from its simplest, Perspective and you got to credit Melinda. Leslie, who will come up now or in future episodes as being one of the important voices in this. If you take the, my lab thing from the simplest form of, Hey there’s non-human intelligence, it seemed to be interacting with the humans down here. Well, that’s an intelligence issue. Of course that’s an intelligence issue. Of course, we need to know, we need to know what was the interaction like? What was their technology like?
What, what did they let you fly the ship? Which a lot of people say now, what do they know? What do they want? Those are intelligence questions. Those are questions we would expect. Our intelligence agencies to be asking. So of course they’re asking those, it’s just really hard to swallow my lab.
That’s why I kept pulling back in this interview. And if you go, if you go read Evie stuff, it goes. Oh, two or three steps. That, but I I’ve down with it. I’ve. I’ve down with, uh, some form of all of it in a Skeptiko kind of way.
I hope you enjoy it.
[00:04:34] Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science and spirituality.
[00:04:39] Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome Eve Logan to Skeptiko Eve has a master’s degree in counseling and psychology and is a trained hypnotherapist.
[00:04:48] Alex Tsakiris: She’s the author of two books, the Dark Side of Cupid, and The Love Bite. She’s an expert, uh, both as a researcher and a therapist in anomalous trauma, particularly as it relates to relationships. . Eve, welcome to Skeptiko. Thanks so much for joining me.
[00:05:07] Eve Lorgen: Thank you. It’s a pleasure to be on your show today.
[00:05:10] Eve Lorgen: And, um, we’ll just go with where you’d like to take it, cuz I know you’ve had some fantastic guests that I actually have known in my life when you, when you showed me the list. So I thought, oh boy, I better, , be my best self today.
[00:05:23] Alex Tsakiris: Well good. I, you know, I’m glad you’re, you’re bringing your game cuz I’m, I am too.
[00:05:28] Alex Tsakiris: You know, we’ve had a really good exchange. I really appreciate how much , you’ve shared with me and you’ve kind of pointed me in different directions as from the way I originally contacted you. And it’s been great and I’ve listened to a lot of your interviews. I, , did read both your books, not thoroughly, especially on the Love Bite.
[00:05:48] Alex Tsakiris: Wasn’t able to get through with that, uh, all the way, but I, you know, I’m, I feel like I have a pretty good grounding in all that and, you know, so what I wanted to do is I wanted to, well, I, I, I’m torn on how to approach this because you are super bright. You do such a great job. You’re such a good presenter.
[00:06:10] Alex Tsakiris: And people who listen to your other interviews, uh, you know, you’re highly intelligent, you’re well trained, and then you’re in this very fringy, fringy out there kind of thing, which even for people who are fringy, it’s fringy and you are not fringy. You know what I mean? You come across as very, so that’s a good thing.
[00:06:33] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah. So what I kind of wanted to do though, is I wanted to creep up on some of this stuff a little bit with you in a way that maybe won’t totally freak people out right from the beginning. And will give us a way to maybe even if we get fringy to kind of point out how wacky the non fringy explanation for this stuff is.
[00:07:01] Alex Tsakiris: Because I think there’s really a point to be made there. So, you know, one of the, one of the ways I thought about it is if you were going to the American Psychological Association and we’re asked to come and do a presentation just on anomalous trauma as it relates to relationships, you know, just if you were gonna kind of sanitize it down to that level, what would you talk about?
[00:07:29] Alex Tsakiris: And, because I think if this comes right outta your book, , does that make sense? ,
[00:07:33] Eve Lorgen: No, actually, I’m glad you asked that question because so much more has come to light in the counseling circles, especially relationship counseling with respect to, , what they used to call it in the old days was like codependency and, , addictions and family systems of alcoholics and co alcoholics and abusers.
[00:07:52] Eve Lorgen: And in the old days, I mean, I got my master’s in 92, so that was quite a while ago. But even then, it was a popular term that they threw around codependency, but I had no idea the depth of what it really means with respect to what now they’re calling complex trauma or complex P T S D and how that manifests in relationship, uh, styles of relating that have to do a lot with, um, not only certain personality disorders, which is kind of a psychobabble term, but how our rg early attachment styles when we’re, you know, young babies and children affect how we relate later in life.
[00:08:34] Eve Lorgen: So I think our vulnerability to having, let’s say, dysfunctional relationships that don’t work, that have a lot of bizarre and uh, conflicting characteristics. It could be because of Unrecovered complex trauma that we really didn’t get to the root of, let’s say people now call it shadow work. Well, we gotta do our inner child shadow work and work out those traumas you had when you were a kid and old marriage woes or whatever.
[00:09:03] Eve Lorgen: But it’s actually much more difficult than one would think because with complex trauma it means that it is something that usually starts from birth till, you know, teenagehood or whatever. So that means your brain has developed a certain style of relating with the nervous system that affects how you respond to, you know, what you think are threats or triggers.
[00:09:29] Eve Lorgen: So, long story short, I think, , a lot of the codependency, , issues are the narcissistic abuse. Like everything’s all about narcissists and narcissistic abuse. And that is, has some merit in terms of what people notice in relationships and especially people who’ve been abused in narcissistic abuse relationships.
[00:09:51] Eve Lorgen: So what I found is that with my work that I came from another angle. I came from wanting to study what was happening with people who claim to have. Multiple alien visitation, abduction experiences in their family lines, and then relationships that they had in their families as well as with their romantic and marriage partners or those that seemed to be set up by these beings that were interacting with them on these other levels.
[00:10:21] Alex Tsakiris: , if I can interject, like I’m gonna pull the reins a little bit on the alien contact, not cuz, I mean, I go there all the time and as a matter of fact, that’s how I, I came to your doorstep is by interviewing people from my area of research, like near death experience research, near death, experience science.
[00:10:40] Alex Tsakiris: And some of those people are saying, Hey, There’s some kind of et non non-human intelligence interference here thing. So I, I’m with you on that. I’m not like afraid to go there. But what I wanna draw people’s attention to, and I wanted to draw you out on this because you do it in, in the book, , the Dark Side of Cupid, I think in a really cool and very grounded way at the beginning, and that’s this thing of anomalous trauma and anomalous experiences.
[00:11:08] Alex Tsakiris: So I’ve had these kind of conversations with people who go to the American Psychological Association and they’re kind of struggling with, Hey, I’m trying to get these guys to talk about like spiritually transformative experiences, which all these people are having. We can’t deny, but psychology wants to pretend, well, no, that doesn’t really, let’s look the other way.
[00:11:31] Alex Tsakiris: And then when you get into near death experiences or you get into premonitions, precognition, all this stuff, psychology is reluctantly over the last 20 years, had to say, well, I can’t completely look away from that. And then what you are bringing to the table, which I thought was just fascinating and I hadn’t thought about before, but I can see you at the a p a giving this presentation and saying, what do you do with the relationship when the start of the relationship comes?
[00:12:06] Alex Tsakiris: I could telepathically hear what he was saying. I had a premonition, I had a dream that he was gonna show up, that she was gonna show up. We all have this. I, I remember when I, the first time I saw my wife over 30 years ago, I, there was something about it, there was something about the first time I laid eyes on her.
[00:12:27] Alex Tsakiris: And I, I, I don’t know, but I think this is common to so many people when they talk about this, there is , an anomalous aspect a lot of times associated with relationships. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s not good, but this has not really been even touched on from a psychological standpoint.
[00:12:46] Alex Tsakiris: And, and you are going there in a number of respects in this book beyond their, or I’d say as a precursor or a part of the whole, the ET thing that we’ll get into.
[00:12:56] Eve Lorgen: Yeah, I think, I mean, a lot of it is that we actually, as many humans, we don’t have just five senses. We have much more, and there’s many people who have more heightened perception in different ways.
[00:13:09] Eve Lorgen: So they could precog, for example, , before something happens, or, , being able to intuitively, , communicate with someone, sometimes telepathically or sometimes just senti, knowing what they’re feeling and knowing when you’re gonna see them next. So I’ve met many people who have those abilities that are natural.
[00:13:29] Eve Lorgen: And so when they explain having something that they think is, uh, orchestrated by an entity, it’s often because they have a perception that’s above and beyond the norm. Or the relationship is definitely beyond the norm of even, let’s say, , you know, a bizarre, something bizarre with a narcissist, for example.
[00:13:50] Eve Lorgen: So there was enough witness testimonies in my work that indicated there’s much more going on that we didn’t even think was in our reality, and we need to take a look at it so that we can really regain our own sense of power and control in our lives and learn how to mitigate the negative effects of that so we don’t fall vulnerable.
[00:14:12] Eve Lorgen: So a lot of my work was really how to strengthen ourselves so that we are not vulnerable to these influences and that know when they’re happening or before they happen and know what to do, so that it doesn’t become a problem and it doesn’t really hit you over the head like a horrible love obsession for years and years and years and, you know, believing it’s your twin flame and then have all these strengths things happen.
[00:14:36] Eve Lorgen: So I run across that and. I know that there are paranormal influences that are beyond the norm that do happen and that they’ve even photographed things. And so we know they happen. It’s just for the standard five senses person who believes in only the, I don’t know, the Western scientific model or even the, the psychological model of what they think is the psych or what what they think is a human is limited to what we’re really experiencing now.
[00:15:08] Eve Lorgen: And I think that limitation of what we think science is or humans are, keeps us as a race more powerless than we have to be. And that we could actually overcome much more and be much more if we start going beyond those five senses and start exploring more deeply who we are. And this kind of gets into the, the question that one of my colleagues, Dr.
[00:15:34] Eve Lorgen: Carrado Malanga of Italy, who is actually a PhD in organic chemistry, he’s a professor and he did research with alien abductions in Italy along with the U F O phenomena and how that kind of connected and really, you know, his bottom line was, , we have to know who we are as humans in order to fully understand what these other beings are and what they’re really doing.
[00:15:57] Eve Lorgen: And once we know who we are and we could really connect more deeply with that, which is really our eternal spirit, uh, then we have much more understanding and power in our lives to really live the way we want to live and not have to worry about having these bizarre things happen to us.
[00:16:16] Alex Tsakiris: Okay, so this is gonna be an interesting kind of, uh, tug of war, but it’s a true dialogue and I, uh, I really love the fact that it’s so deep.
[00:16:28] Alex Tsakiris: Your, your work is so deep. And the other thing I should say is that you are coming at this from a people helper perspective. That’s what you do. And as your book’s evidence, there are a lot of people that are suffering greatly. They’re unable to get on with their lives in so many ways due to anomalous trauma.
[00:16:49] Alex Tsakiris: And you know, like, cuz the, the reason I kind of pull up and kind of jump all over the place is like every word we would have to parse when we say these entities now we’re implying non-human intelligence. Are we also talking about, uh, spirit beings? Are we talking about, , kind of satanic, malevolent?
[00:17:07] Alex Tsakiris: What does satanic even mean? Do we have to couch it in some kind of biblical perspective or does it go beyond that? I wrote a book a few years ago Why Evil Matters. That’s was the, the point of the book was that we don’t process evil at all really in our society. We’re either secular and go, it doesn’t exist.
[00:17:24] Alex Tsakiris: Or somebody’s gonna pull out their Bible and say, no, I’ll tell you what it is. It’s right here. And it’s confined to this little book here. And neither one of those makes sense. We wound up with the kind of schizophrenic idea of what evil is. So I’m, I’m down with so much what you’re saying. I agree that from a people helper perspective, which is where you’re coming at it, you are obligated to go where these people are and enter into their world, which is also, you have your own experience with this and then work through that.
[00:17:56] Alex Tsakiris: You know, I’m not coming at it from this perspective, right? I mean, I just spoke to, you know, the guy interviewed just last week, terrific guy. , Vinny had a near death experience. He was dead for an hour. Riga mortis had set in, and the, the E m t in the ambulance cuts the body bag open because there’s this light that comes in and the voice shines and a voice talks to Vinny can see the voice.
[00:18:24] Alex Tsakiris: This guy can’t see. It says that this guy isn’t dead, puts the paddles on him. Vinny is resuscitated, has this incredible near-death experience, right. And Vinny comes through. And so what the, the whole thing with Vinny was very interesting. But one of the things I get from the near-death experience, and I’ve talked to, I’ve talked to a bunch of people, is that death experience is definitely evidence, very convincing evidence that consciousness survives bodily death.
[00:18:51] Alex Tsakiris: I believe that it’s evidence of a moral hierarchy. Uh, uh, God, if you will, but it’s not evidence of Jesus. It’s, but a lot, some people come back and that’s what they see as Jesus, right? That’s their experience. So my point is, you are a people helper. You have to go where people are. I am this kind of researcher inquiry to perpetuate doubt guy.
[00:19:19] Alex Tsakiris: I’m looking at a lot of these cases and going, you know, we’re probably in sync on some of this stuff. But some of the other stuff, it, it, it’s just, it’s kind of confusing the whole situation. And that’s where I was going initially. I, I’m sorry to go on and on, but I, I want us to be on the same footing so you know where I’m coming from.
[00:19:39] Alex Tsakiris: Cuz at this point I know a lot more about where you’re coming from than you know where I’m coming from. But like, relationships are complicated, right? So you’re in field where, hey man, take all the anomalous stuff out of it. It’s complicated on a just basic level of, you know, how do we get along? Who’s gonna change a diaper?
[00:20:00] Alex Tsakiris: Uh, did you bring your check home? You know, we gotta pay the rent kind of thing. It’s complicated on an emotional level of love and this, and the deepest part of me, and you’re so hot, baby, and it’s complicated on this spiritual level of, you know, it’s compensating on a deep psychology level of, uh, you know, you do that just like my fricking mother, you know, I, you, you’re driving me nuts kind of thing.
[00:20:22] Alex Tsakiris: Mm-hmm. So there’s so much to tease out before we even get into the anomalous stuff. Yeah. I’m so glad that the, you’re there bringing in the first layer of anomalous stuff is, like you said, there’s this extended consciousness realm. We are all psychic, telepathic, all the rest of this. And now you’re gonna layer on top of that, that potentially there’s advanced non-human intelligence or demonic stuff or whatever that is actually trying to manipulate that process.
[00:20:55] Alex Tsakiris: So you, you get where I’m coming from, I’m a little. I, I, I’m a little bit reluctant to go all the way with some of your stuff, for all the reasons that I think we need to tease a lot of stuff out before we jump all the way to the end. What, what are your thoughts on that? I’m sure you’ve, you’ve thought a lot about this.
[00:21:16] Alex Tsakiris: You’ve worked through a lot of this, that’s, you have 20, how many years of experience doing this?
[00:21:21] Eve Lorgen: Good now? I mean, I, I think I wasn’t, well, what drew me to be interested was my own experiences that had to do with, uh, U F O sightings and what I thought were et encounters and paranormal experiences and that kind of thing.
[00:21:36] Eve Lorgen: So, and my own family, I mean, I was drawn because my, my father worked for Lockheed and he had like books that were aerial phenomena and then some of the early U F O books, and I became interested because I had sightings and experiences that I thought were benevolent, but I didn’t really remember.
[00:21:53] Eve Lorgen: There’s always this amnesia thing. So there was an incongruence with the excitement about these positive Space Brothers and UFOs, and then this horrible fear behind the real experience itself. So what really, I mean, I was a scientist before I became a therapist. I was a biochemist and then changed my, my field of study cuz I didn’t really wanna go there anymore.
[00:22:15] Eve Lorgen: I wanted to learn more about humans and psychology and work with my own family of origin issues, which I thought could contribute to my understanding of all the other stuff, which it did. But I don’t think it explains everything that happens. Some people seem to have these unusual experiences without having had early family trauma to, to blame it on as being, let’s say, a vulnerable victim being at the wrong place at the wrong time because of something.
[00:22:42] Eve Lorgen: And so they’re normal people who were just kind of plucked up and taken and, and had these unusual experiences. So, what can I say? Um, but my understanding of human psychology and trauma helped me understand how to help people so that they could actually get to the root of their experiences and actually remember or recover from the trauma.
[00:23:06] Eve Lorgen: So if somebody understands complex trauma or complex P T S D and starts working with, um, working with their nervous system to rebalance it and emotionally regulate and get your true human needs met, which by the way, many people don’t even get their real needs met. And, um, Not even from the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, but even even less than that.
[00:23:31] Eve Lorgen: So you’re talking about a lot of people, if if they really got their needs met, they would be at a place where they could actually process and understand and remember and be able to deal with these things. But it’s, it’s almost like, you know, once you get in a vulnerable state, you’re, you’re more easy prey, I think, for some of these things that are happening and that they are.
[00:23:53] Eve Lorgen: And there’s a lot of trauma related to, , the alien abduction experience as well as, , the my labs, which we really didn’t talk about yet, but that’s was something that I discovered kind of coexisted with many of the people having the experiences there was, there was a human element working in conjunction with, or because of the alien abduction experiences, which indicated that, well, it must be real.
[00:24:17] Eve Lorgen: Why are they interested in following up and finding out what happened to these people because there really is an issue. So that kind of opened up a whole can of worms and a, and a, a research that kind of came with a lot of smoke and mirrors and, uh, f X file kind of. Instead of human psychology. And I think it’s unfortunate that many people who’ve had these unusual experiences, they can’t, they don’t feel comfortable just going to a regular psychologist.
[00:24:46] Eve Lorgen: Sometimes they’ll wanna go to a specialist in hypnotherapy or somebody who’s in the field who’s had experiences and then they start taking consultations based on their experiences because they don’t feel that they would be, you know, justly, , perceived and they would just be thrown on medication or something.
[00:25:03] Eve Lorgen: So, , that’s unfortunate cuz I know that that does happen,
[00:25:08] Alex Tsakiris: right. So, , again, you know, we’ll just keep going down this thing and see how it goes. So it might be interesting for me to throw out kind of how I directly kind of came to you. So I interviewed this guy a couple months ago.
[00:25:22] Alex Tsakiris: Dr. Jason Giorgianni, he’s a philosopher and was kind of a very, , go-to guy in the field of parapsychology but the point is, he starts pushing this idea that the near-death experience and the reincarnation.
[00:25:39] Alex Tsakiris: Experience and the science associated with that is subject to interference in this extended consciousness realm, right? So I had Jason on and I was, I wanted to push him on that a little bit. And I said, well, you know, my read of the science can’t really line up with that in a couple of important ways.
[00:25:59] Alex Tsakiris: One, the work in reincarnation science is among the most well disciplined and thorough work done by Ian Stevenson and, , all those people at University of Virginia, , a lot of people have looked at that peer-reviewed work and said, that’s very solid.
[00:26:18] Alex Tsakiris: That is not consistent with like, Ted’s account of all , reincarnation are subject to alien kind of thing. It just doesn’t fit with it. And the same with the near death experience science. I mean, where the near death experience science really takes us. I in a way that would directly contradict this idea of the aliens are running the show.
[00:26:38] Alex Tsakiris: There is the stuff that is the cross-cultural cross time look at near death experience. So you look at Dr. Gregory Shon, um, trained at Oxford College of London now publishes peer review papers of, you know, 600, 700 years ago. All these. Near-death experience accounts across culture, across time, and they all lead to beliefs in an afterlife belief that’s relatively consistent with modern day near-death experience.
[00:27:10] Alex Tsakiris: Plus you have the current near-death experience science, which would contradict a lot of what’s going on. But , what does come through I think is the, exactly what you’re talking about is the potential for there being some technological component to both of those things that is possibly being interfered with.
[00:27:31] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, we can’t turn away from that data, but when I read some of that stuff and people are like, I got it all handled and Jesus told me, and reincarnation isn’t real and near death experience that doesn’t hold up to, to scrutiny either. So I’m kind of struggling with all the great information you guys are bringing in and then sorting it out in a way that is consistent with this other body of science that just doesn’t seem to, to work its way into this work either.
[00:28:07] Alex Tsakiris: So I know I’m blame a lot on the table here. Is any of that
[00:28:11] Eve Lorgen: I wish I heard of this guy because it, cuz I know I’ve, I’ve had clients, , Who have had experiences where they were recycled in an unnatural way in, in incarnated, in bodies where, , they remembered. I mean, this actually happens a lot with the, my labs and the people in the Secret Space program where it’s as if, , they made a bargain in an, in another life.
[00:28:33] Eve Lorgen: Sometimes it’s, it’s in a Nazi era where they were high up in the SS and were in the occult level, making oaths to these entities or something, and then, or entrapped to work for them. And basically promising even beyond the grave that they’ll work for ’em. And then finding that, , after they died, their soul was taken and then held like in a test tube or something, and then recycled into a body.
[00:28:58] Eve Lorgen: And then they had recall of what they were, you know, in the Nazi era, you know, that, that way. And then they were my labs this time around and one one of these programs. So I’ve had some who remembered like where they were murdered and then their soul was captured in like a lower astral realm and then recycled into another body that was put in directly into a project.
[00:29:21] Eve Lorgen: So it, so the natural, maybe the natural reincarnation system would be, you know, you go up to a higher realm and then you work with higher beings that maybe you make a decision to come back. For some reason. But in some of these other experiences, it’s like they don’t go up to the higher realms. They actually get recycled from a lower astrol, and then they’ll, they actually have more recall of the life before.
[00:29:45] Eve Lorgen: , and then they’ll remember like in the 1940s or something. It’s really strange, but that’s not real common. But I’ve had it happen enough times where I’m thinking something has happened where they, they’re able to, well, that, that’s the weird stuff. Capture the soul and transfer the soul. A type of transfer of soul consciousness technology.
[00:30:08] Alex Tsakiris: So yeah, I’m just not, I’m not convinced that we can rely on those kind of, uh, accounts directly. I, uh, I, but I think I, I, I wanna make sure you understand where I’m coming from because we run into the exact same thing, exact same thing with near-death experience accounts, right? Where there is an overall pattern there that is to a certain extent verifiable by science, you know, so the near death experience, the history is these people started having near-death experiences and the scientists get involved and said, wait a minute.
[00:30:46] Alex Tsakiris: These things are all over the board. This guy had a near death experience jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge. This person had it when they were in a plane crash. This person, what we need to do is study. Scientifically, medically. So then they started bringing the near death experience into the cardiac arrest ward and they go, okay, now we got it.
[00:31:04] Alex Tsakiris: We can basically control for the physiology. We know what happens when your heart stops. We know that the blood flow to your brain stops. We know you can’t have conscious memories, let alone the most profound experience of your life. There’s no way to explain that from our current neurological model. So when we do that, we bring it into the hospital and now we get the same things happening in terms of near-death experience.
[00:31:27] Alex Tsakiris: We can go, aha, we, we do have reason to believe the consciousness survives bodily death. But the accounts, no, we can’t really process these accounts. Like I told you, I mean, I got, I got a guy who comes back and says, Hey, I saw Jesus. And I said, well, do you know Christ consciousness? I get it. You know, it’s a topa kind of thing.
[00:31:49] Alex Tsakiris: Maybe we don’t know what it is, but you know, whatever. He’s like, no, it was Jesus. And a matter of fact, he goes around to churches and he kind of says, if you didn’t see Jesus, then you know your N D E is probably Satanic and all the rest of this nonsense. Alls I can say from a science standpoint is the near death experience.
[00:32:09] Alex Tsakiris: Science as a whole does not agree with Ian McCormick’s wacky, Christian centric idea of near death experiences. Most near death experiences, like 80, 90% say yes, God, yes, love, yes, universal truth, but no to, uh, to religion and stuff like that. I don’t even know if, how, how much we’d, how firm we’d wanna be on that.
[00:32:34] Alex Tsakiris: But the one thing that comes through Evie, is do not rely on individual accounts. That’s like the conversation I just had with Vinny, who is terrific. But at the end I said, and Vinny was super open, super great guy, and it lives, the lives the, the spirit of, uh, someone who’s been spiritually transformed by their near-death experience.
[00:32:57] Alex Tsakiris: But his thing is ultimately goes, yeah, I get it. These lessons that I learned in my near-death experience were vinny’s lessons for Vinny to learn, not to go out and proselytize and, you know, bang Bibles on people and all the rest of this stuff. That’s not how God doesn’t work that way, you know what I mean?
[00:33:16] Alex Tsakiris: God is moving all of us along our own path in the, in our own way kind of thing. So do you understand, I mean, some of the accounts in the book, no. Ted’s account now, the Christian centered stuff, all the Christian centered stuff, just the Jesus stuff is completely inconsistent from a logical basis with anything else we know about near-death experience.
[00:33:41] Alex Tsakiris: Anything else we know about, , continuation of consciousness, near-death experience? It just doesn’t fit. And yet why are we trying to jam
[00:33:49] Eve Lorgen: that in there? Yeah, I’m, I’m just curious about how little research there is in, I think in the Asian, in the Daoist, um, perspective of what happens at death and the dissolution of the five elements and what happens with our consciousness and what goes to the higher realms and what goes back to earth and how they perceive, , an N D E or when a soul comes back or when a soul is transferred.
[00:34:15] Eve Lorgen: Like, , there must be, you know, ways that they do this in different ways. Like in Oriental medicine, I studied oriental medicine before I’d got my other degree because I was, I knew there was more to this. And, and one of the reasons why was to try to figure out what do we not know in our Western model of thinking that these other beings must know how they’re affecting us and how can we apply understanding things in a different way so that we can work with this in a different way.
[00:34:43] Eve Lorgen: And so incorporating, let’s say a dais model of the five elements, for example, and how, , that might change, you know, how they affect our consciousness.
[00:34:54] Alex Tsakiris: And how, are you familiar with the Tibetan Book of the Dead?
[00:34:57] Eve Lorgen: Yes. Because I was a Tibetan Buddhist for many years, as a matter of fact, and, , learned, you know, dream yoga and, um, did many meditation retreats and, you know, so I think there must be other ways to understand this and, , even like the whole rainbow body thing, that there must be something that happens scientifically.
[00:35:15] Eve Lorgen: If there’s enough of these cases where, you know, the, the body literally disappears except for the hair and nails and they, and they transform and transmute into light. There’s something going on there that we have yet to have, I think, scientific evidence in the Western world that knows what’s going on there.
[00:35:33] Alex Tsakiris: But I’m so, so let me ask you, because you probably know more about this than I do, and, and I, I’d, I’d love to, to learn and expand on this stuff. So you take the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is very, uh, uh, uh, precise and is really just one book among a larger kind of canon they have about what’s happening at this near death ex at this near death time, this after death time, and this between lives time and then this free incarnation time.
[00:36:02] Alex Tsakiris: So how, how is that, how, how are you squaring that with what you’re hearing from people who are having these kinds of experiences?
[00:36:13] Eve Lorgen: Well, I think people have experiences based on their level of perception and, and I think actually even a practicing Buddhist. Who, who does a meditation practice, or let’s say lucid dreaming and dream yoga would have a better ability to have a better purity of perception, let’s say, within an experience and be able to assess it from a different standpoint.
[00:36:34] Eve Lorgen: If you can be free of quote, attachment and greed and fear and desire, and be in this like witnessing consciousness to observe what happens. And so, , this is actually a place where, where I’m going in my research with people who do dreamwork and lucid dreamwork in order to observe how this happens in, within lucidity and then how to prevent it from happening and how to directly access what we call spiritual truth communication and archetypal language and symbols that happen in a, in a.
[00:37:09] Eve Lorgen: And then working with that to find out how we can connect with our higher power of truth so that we understand what’s interacting with us from, its how it’s being communicated through the direct truth of what our spirit is telling us. In a, in lucidity, and I know it’s kind of like a, a whole jumble of words, but in order to assess correctly, we really need to know, let’s say in the body and out of the body and in different states of consciousness what we’re really perceiving and what we’re assuming, who our identity even is.
[00:37:43] Eve Lorgen: So this gets back to like really having to recover our own traumas and getting really, really clear on nothing but our, our awareness of beingness that goes beyond even our, , personality. And so we can do this, and I think there are some people who do, but it’s not a easy place. It’s not something easy to do while you’re still in trauma and not getting your human needs met to even, let’s say, meditate or pay your bills or be free of abuse, you know?
[00:38:12] Eve Lorgen: But I think there’s different ways to perceive this more correctly if we can have lucidity and calmness in different states of consciousness.
[00:38:22] Alex Tsakiris: Wow. There’s, there’s a ton there. I’ve done a couple of shows on dream yoga and, , as a practice exactly what you’re saying. One of the gentlemen I interviewed was, was just terrific. . He was under mentorship of his, , Buddhist elder kind of guy.
[00:38:39] Alex Tsakiris: And what I remember I thought was really interesting. He was doing dream yoga and he was somewhat successful at reaching these other states and as you’re saying, being, , detached enough to kind of observe. And then the guy goes, okay, so now what you have to do is you have to go into the hell space. Oh no.
[00:38:58] Alex Tsakiris: He’s like, that’s what he said. He said, no, uh, Maggie. But eventually he, you know, he built up the. Personal power, whatever, to go there into doing that. But what I really took away was that this is, these are are practices that have been, , carried out for a long period of time. They have a lot of expertise on it, in exactly the way that you’re talking about, and can lead people through it in a way that does seem pretty quasi scientific in a way.
[00:39:28] Alex Tsakiris: Like, Hey, just tell me what you observed. You know, uh, kind of like a good hypnotherapist does with, uh, alien Abee,
[00:39:37] Eve Lorgen: , I could only go from my personal experience where I had a direct realization, which is different from an experience, , a direct realization of eternal beingness that is beyond the fragment of personality identity that we have in these human bodies or even out of the body in this.
[00:39:53] Eve Lorgen: So, and I knew that it was related to Christ Jesus, but it was more like a, a memory realization. And so that actually kept me on a trail of trying to discover what was that about and actually led me to Buddhism more than anything else in dream yoga and trying to understand things from that perspective, knowing that there isn’t eternal beingness, that is our true identity and, , our true home, and that this is a dreaming.
[00:40:22] Eve Lorgen: So we are actually dreaming this body here, like co dreaming it. So if we can get lucid in. Dreaming here. And in our dreamings, in our sleep dreams, we can have a clearer way of perceiving what our real nature is. That’s above and beyond personality. So that’s, but I knew that deep inside, based on my experience.
[00:40:47] Eve Lorgen: But even with I think Buddhist, um, practice, I think it has a lot of value when they tell you that not to identify too strongly with the thoughts that are coming in or with what you’re fearing or desiring and trying to stay kind of clear and calm and then just observe the arising of what, what’s happening in the experience.
[00:41:08] Eve Lorgen: And that I think that has great value so that you, you start to see what’s coming from your own mind, what actually coming from outside your mind, like other people like telepathy is real. Okay. But one thing that I did not learn from Tibetan Buddhism or, or advanced practices was the depth of, uh, complex trauma that happens, let’s say in relationships in your family of origin, , that affect your ability to relate in a way where you can actually give and receive love in a way where you feel loved and you feel like you really have your true human needs met.
[00:41:46] Eve Lorgen: So, in other words, relationships and relationship dynamics that are related to actually our early attachment. Styles as were raised, is much more important in, in terms of just being able to get on with your life and having a balanced life. So you can be like a real advanced yogi and meditator and then sometimes that just makes you more dissociated.
[00:42:10] Eve Lorgen: But it, but when you have to go back to the real relationship stuff or going deep into the origins of complex trauma and the identities that we created as a result or a response to that trauma, we have to go beyond that to our eternal nature that went before our personality was even developed, even from zero years years old to six years old.
[00:42:31] Eve Lorgen: So this is where you have to go as deep as a yogi to go to your eternal nature that came into this body to begin with. And then, then you could transform all that crap and all that complex trauma. So you could function from a much more, uh, I don’t know, enlightened place and not react to the usual triggers and won’t have the same kinds of relationship patterns that you had before.
[00:42:57] Eve Lorgen: Cuz what tends to happen is that even though people have gotten educated, they did all this trauma work, they still like, they’re like, what? I’m a NORC magnet. You know, they keep running into like these narcissists or, well, they’ll run into, , you know, these bad relationships and they don’t know why. Like why does this keep happening?
[00:43:15] Eve Lorgen: And I know on a cognitive level, This, this is not right, this doesn’t feel right, but why does it keep happening? And then kind of have to go through, well, what’s all that about? And having to get to the deep root of, you know, why these things happen. And it, I think it kind of goes into a little bit of karma and a little bit of understanding the spiritual forces behind what’s really interacting in our lives and directing events and timelines.
[00:43:41] Eve Lorgen: So that’s where I’ve had to go in order to try to understand like, well, why, you know, do these love by things keep happening to people who have had abductions or they, they happen to be plucked out for this experimental project by these alien beings, and then they keep having these certain patterns and relationships over and over again, maybe until they learn something new or they bypass it in a certain way and then that that thing doesn’t happen anymore and then they’re off on another project or something.
[00:44:11] Eve Lorgen: Yeah,
[00:44:13] Alex Tsakiris: deeper, a deeper thing. Yeah. Well, there’s a lot deeper things and there’s so much to, to really get into. It’s, it’s impossible really. And I hope I’m not gonna frustrate you or frustrate listeners as I try and parse through this, but we’ll just do the best we can. So take what you were just saying there, which really gets into your main thing, which is the interference in a, from an anomalous perspective in relationships.
[00:44:42] Alex Tsakiris: , but I am gonna want to tease it out a little bit because even if we just. Is it possible that malevolent entities, as we would typically understand them, to be demons, dark forces, whatever, black magic, uh, whatever, are interfering with relationships in exactly the way that you’re talking about, there’s a tunnel.
[00:45:04] Alex Tsakiris: People will go, heck yes, I know that directly. I’ve talked to some of ’em and they said people have cast spells and these other things. So whether somebody wants to go there or not, you can again, look across culture and across time and these things pop up over and over and over again. The, you would have to be pretty hard-headed, closed-minded, materialist to just take all of that and just throw it, uh, throw it to the side.
[00:45:31] Alex Tsakiris: So that’s one class of this anomalous interference in relationships and I want you to speak to that and speak to why we would even suspect that that is happening for all the reasons that we were just talking about a minute ago. And then, is the et non-human intelligence thing different? Because it feels to me like it’s different and yet we kind of, I think, blend them together in a way that isn’t super helpful, cuz there’s a technology component there.
[00:46:02] Alex Tsakiris: There’s a different agenda. Component there? Is that a, can we bifurcate that way or do they bleed over too much in ways that we don’t understand?
[00:46:13] Eve Lorgen: No, I think you said all of that actually is true. There are, , definitely, what would they call attached entities and demonic overlays, , and sometimes full on possession.
[00:46:23] Eve Lorgen: And, um, I’ve had clients report those things to me where it would happen. Like the classic one would be like a reptilian lizard snake-like being, would overshadow the lover that they’re having sex with and then all of a sudden they’ll see and then like shapeshift while they’re having sex because it’s the, the entity that’s actually feeding on the sexual energy.
[00:46:44] Eve Lorgen: So a lot of times clairvoyantly you, you just like, actually, you literally see it like in your third eye. Um, for people who are per some, some even normal non psychics can see it because it’s, it’s so amazing when that happens. So people see things like shape shifty. So that definitely happens. And the, I don’t know, I mean, a lot of people are naturally psychic and so they perceive these things, or paranormal activity, like when somebody comes over, like after they, there’s in my book, like let’s say you start dating someone and you have this interesting attraction, then you have a lot of these weird synchronicities that happen that sometimes it’s mixed up with, uh, now it’s mixed up with technology like texting and AI and all that kind of shit.
[00:47:28] Eve Lorgen: I think there’s a connection there. Let’s say after dating them, and then this entity keeps visiting you, that’s like a demonic, uh, strange entity that’s connected to the, the partner you were dating and is like a demonn. And so then you have to do like a, a clearing and a prayer and a whatever to clear yourself from the entity you actually got from somebody who dated.
[00:47:50] Eve Lorgen: And that sometimes you could see it like overshadowing, like literally it’s like a shadow that comes over ’em, or their, their eyes will change or they’ll have a sudden personality shift where you know, you know, something unnatural just happened and then it could happen when your, your clocks stop or your cell phone battery becomes dead.
[00:48:08] Eve Lorgen: And like with abductions, for example, we would know something happened if, you know, the same night, you know, your cell phone battery like went dead and you had to recharge it like over and over and over again. There was nothing wrong with your phone. And then three light bulbs in the house burned out like on the same night.
[00:48:24] Eve Lorgen: And then on the same night, like two people in the house had the same dream that something really weird happened. And, and then at the same time, so you knew like something happened because all, all these different things happened at the same time. So we would start connecting the dots that, you know, electrical malfunctions, cell phone, batteries, technologies, and , weird nightmares or missing time would happen, you know, around the same time.
[00:48:49] Eve Lorgen: So the way we know there’s, there’s something going on and it does affect electrical equipment. , we know that, and it could affect your health. You could wake up with body marks and stuff. So, um, so I believe, you know, these things happen based on what people report to me and then how it feels when, when you’re around someone who’s, who’s hosted.
[00:49:09] Eve Lorgen: I mean, it’s hard not to, if you’re a empathic person and you’re like around somebody who’s got an entity, you could feel it sometimes. You could see it, you know? And , and it seems like many of the people who have had lifelong abductions, first one reason or another, I’m sure Mary Rodwell might have mentioned this, it’s like they’re all basically psychic.
[00:49:28] Eve Lorgen: All these people are just, they’re naturally psychic. And sometimes the reason why these military groups take them is cuz they were already psychic as children and then they wanna turn around and use them and these other projects and use ’em as remote viewers or psychic spies or, or whatever. And they’re doing these other things clandestinely and they’re hiding it under some, like an alien abduction.
[00:49:49] Eve Lorgen: So it, it’s through the people who’ve had more clairvoyant perception that they’re able to see a little bit more of what’s going on. They just can get a little bit bigger picture. But I don’t think that means that they can’t be deceived by the entities that are masquerading and doing things. In fact, one of the things that.
[00:50:09] Eve Lorgen: That I believe is like the, the hugest thing that we can do to empower ourselves as humans is number one, we need to be able to recover and heal from complex trauma and truly understand on a purely human psychological level and the body and the nervous system, okay, that’s real simple science. And then if we could truly recover and get what we truly need and, and, you know, go through recovery that way, that will help one level of not being vulnerable.
[00:50:36] Eve Lorgen: But the other level is spiritual deception, which actually blocks your ability to perceive clearly what your eternal spirit and quote the spirit of the all that is. That is good would be trying to tell you. So what we noticed, what was happening, and this was part of Dr. Carrado Milan’s research of Italy who worked with Abductees, and he found that these entities that are, let’s say not as benevolent, they, we have something that they don’t have, therefore they want it.
[00:51:04] Eve Lorgen: Okay? So it’s kind of like the eternal spirit battery they want. So they could live through us like parasites and just kind of put in their, , flash drive of consciousness, uh, mind, and then live through us and have us do what they want us to do and to believe and so they could interfere in the. Ability to perceive and communicate with our higher self, for example, and then be able to pretend they’re our spirit guide, or they’re may be a past life memory or we, we are an alien in a past life or make us think things and have downloads and memories that really come from a different place.
[00:51:41] Eve Lorgen: So this is where, this is where we have to be absolutely, uh, serious and honest about wanting to connect with the most high, regardless of what we were believing before. And the only the truth, no matter how hard it hurts, so that we can connect with the most high and have that show us so that we can receive the truth and then be able to perceive how that comes to us in our unique way to show us what the truth is about anything going on in our life.
[00:52:10] Eve Lorgen: And then the spirit does come through in many miraculous ways. It doesn’t matter, I don’t think. It doesn’t, doesn’t matter your faith. And I think the more faith you have in something good, the more it can communicate with you and actually show you what’s going. And so that’s, that’s the way to go. You have to be really honest and not wanna believe in something that feels good, cuz it makes you feel popular or whatever the channeled messages are.
[00:52:36] Eve Lorgen: But just be completely honest and open about the absolute truth no matter what it is, so that you could receive it in from your own internal natural resources to the connection to your eternal spirit. And that’s where, where we need to go with it. That’s when we find the truth. That’s what
[00:52:52] Alex Tsakiris: I believe. I I love that.
[00:52:55] Alex Tsakiris: I, I love so many things about that. ,
[00:52:57] Alex Tsakiris: I’m challenged though with some of that in terms of like, when you jump in and say, you know, they live through us, it’s some kind of harvesting of energy and stuff like that. Uh, we don’t know that. I don’t think we know that. And I, and I can understand that that is your experience from, you know, working with these people.
[00:53:14] Alex Tsakiris: But again, I keep coming back to the tagline or the ethos of Skeptiko is inquiry to perpetuate doubt. I think doubt is a spiritual thing. I think that greater love, light truth that we know is there, doesn’t want us to be certain. Certainty is for something else, is for another realm, another realm of knowing when everything is known in that other realm.
[00:53:43] Alex Tsakiris: That’s what people tell us from that other realm is I knew everything. You couldn’t even ask a question. And the answer came into my head and then I was put back down in this time space reality and, , not so much of, , knowing everything, but where I was trying to, , go with that and, and you did take us there, is that if we want to look at, , malevolent entities in this extended consciousness realm, we have a lot of anthropological support for that.
[00:54:14] Alex Tsakiris: We can go look at all these cultures where they’ll tell you the exactly the kind of stories you’re talking about from the shamonic experience going over in the Shamonic dream and having ser always, it’s always serpents or it’s crocodiles or it’s whatever, and they’re coming in and they’re interfering, they’ll have spells being cast on people to break up lovers or to bring lovers together.
[00:54:38] Alex Tsakiris: All the stuff you’re talking about is there in the shamonic traditions with no et overlay on it. So that makes me wonder, should we be considering that without et, without non-human intelligence? And what does that tell us about non-human intelligence? And the other thing, cuz I like to throw so many things on the table all at once, is, I don’t think Mary Rodwell would come down on the same side you guys do in terms of these beings being, , all negative.
[00:55:11] Alex Tsakiris: She sees a lot more positive beings in the non-human intelligence realm. And what she does is kind of say the MyLab stuff is she’s kind of, she’s, if you will, to me, a little bit too much, segmenting all the negative stuff. Oh, that’s all my lab. Which, yeah, I don’t think makes, I don’t think makes sense, but I don’t think it makes sense to say, oh, this is all dark.
[00:55:36] Alex Tsakiris: You know, this is, everything that ET is doing is, is all dark. It’s a, there’s too much genuine spiritual experiences that people are having there. There’s some of it, there’s healing, which is hard to kind of see in any other way as helping people get on with their life. There is a lot of negative stuff, which you’re pointing out, and I don’t wanna gloss that over, but I’m trying to kind of paint a landscape that’s more complex that isn’t so siloed, which is what I see happening all over
[00:56:03] Eve Lorgen: the place.
[00:56:04] Eve Lorgen: Like the he gillion dialectic that they always get. There’s always like a, a polarization to try to make it simple and, you know, it’s either this or that. And I, I kind understand that, but one of the things that. Was a problem with people that had come to me or in the early days, , let’s say people who were in these super soldier projects like the Montauk Boys and even some of the earlier, , secret space project, they called it special unacknowledged access projects or whatever, right?
[00:56:33] Eve Lorgen: But many of them had trauma and gosh, so much trauma and programming, but, uh, different beings having interacted with them as well as human military and these secret projects. And then when they discovered what was going on with them, they would search the ends of the earth, you know, going to Nepal and Tibet and going to different yogis and gurus and, and, you know, begging for help and asking for help and trying to do exorcisms.
[00:56:59] Eve Lorgen: And it’s like nobody could help ’em. They’re like, sorry, go sit your karma. And, and they were really, a lot of people were, they were shunned and not understood. And it, and it made me wonder, like, wait a minute here. If there’s these people claiming that they’re frigging gurus and they know all about enlightenment and they can’t help one of these people, one of these projects, they don’t, their religions is missing something.
[00:57:24] Eve Lorgen: And this is what made me question, there’s some kind of intelligence or a force, that’s what I call it, enabling the predator parasite programming within religions and certain spiritual narratives and traditions that are missing something really, really important. And, and I know. One of the simple things they’re missing is, , they’re bypassing the, the real importance of recovering from complex trauma, even from just a simple psychological level.
[00:57:54] Eve Lorgen: But somehow they’re not dealing with the attached entity business and they’re not able to truly deal with that effectively, even with their own faith because there’s, something’s been omitted in terms of their thoroughness of understanding of how things work. Well,
[00:58:11] Alex Tsakiris: what about the wholesome scholar stuff you’re familiar with?
[00:58:14] Alex Tsakiris: , the yoga tradition and a lot, I mean, doesn’t to me when you say that, it’s like, Evie, that is exactly the practice of the release of the samsara, you know, is that you can create the, the example I always love is I first heard from, , Mickey Singer, the Untethered Soul, which is a super popular book, and a Western guy.
[00:58:35] Alex Tsakiris: But he was like, this is like, to me, is like right out of your practice and working with people is I’m driving down the road and I see this blue Corvette go by and there’s my girlfriend with this guy and they’re just having a good old time and they’re making out all this stuff. And I’m like, you know, boom.
[00:58:55] Alex Tsakiris: I just go off and then later I come to understand that, no, that wasn’t my girlfriend. It just looked like my girlfriend. But every time I see a Blue Co. Boom, my body just goes off and I have this flood of emotions. So from a yogic perspective, they’d say, well, you have a samskara. There is God’s energy that’s flowing through you and you’ve blocked it in a way, and you’ve probably blocked it in a million ways, including stuff that you came in with that you weren’t even responsible for.
[00:59:29] Alex Tsakiris: But they would explain that in a very direct way. And they’d say, here’s how you release those, but get ready cuz you got a million of ’em to release. So it’s a, you know, you’re not gonna get through ’em all, but you are going to, to me that is a direct parallel with exactly what you’re saying. And I, I think it makes a lot of sense, is that complex trauma and then how to release that and that, that is nurturing our inner true spirituality and connection with the source.
[00:59:58] Alex Tsakiris: So I’m totally down with that part of it. , what do you see as lacking from and and couldn’t we find that in the mystical Christian tradition? In the Buddhist tradition? In the, okay, go ahead. I’m sorry.
[01:00:10] Eve Lorgen: Well, yeah, I mean, I believe that there is a, a deeper tradition of those who really, I don’t know, you can call it people who really have the Holy Spirit or, or they really have a deeper connection because, uh, their perception opens up so that they’re not blinded by their own preconceived notions or dogmatic ways of perceiving.
[01:00:34] Eve Lorgen: It’s like, You know, well, the das would call it spontaneous wisdom, and the Christians would call it the Holy Spirit. And it, the Holy Spirit’s usually imbued with love and, and mercy. But it could also give you spontaneous wisdom of the direct perception of what’s going on with this person and, and knowing what it just shows you what’s going on.
[01:00:54] Eve Lorgen: And I think the same thing happens with people who are really connected, and then it gives them insight into how to proceed, uh, in life and how to maybe help people if they’re open. But that, that’s not always easy. Like one of the difficulties that I’ve run across with many people, um, they have, once they uncovered, let’s say, the dark underbelly of what, you know, secret societies are the ones controlling let, let’s say the dark side of the earth.
[01:01:23] Eve Lorgen: If they wanna keep it secret and they don’t want you to know the whole thing, and then you bring up too much attention or influence on a certain aspect of the ufology, for example, then you become a targeted individual. And so what happens with targeted individuals, sometimes it’s technology, sometimes it’s, um, direct.
[01:01:40] Eve Lorgen: You can relate it to human, you know, Them doing stuff to your bank account or they’re gang stalking you. And there’s a whole, there’s a whole thing with that. But there is a technology that’s related to very advanced technologies that it could actually explain a lot of, some of the alien and MyLab stuff that people think are coming from aliens so that there are technologies that could affect you on very deep and even spiritual levels now that’s being employed to try to prevent people from bringing to light, um, truth or, you know, different aspects so that people could wake up to, um, to actually have solutions to what the problems are so that there are forces that are trying to prevent people.
[01:02:24] Eve Lorgen: But then that’s what I run across as like people who are, who are actually being targeted and they’re trying to get out from under it and working through all these psychological ways of doing it. But, but it ain’t working because maybe there’s, so there’s something else that we don’t know, uh, but we’re finding out more all the time and, uh, and I think that’s good.
[01:02:43] Eve Lorgen: So
[01:02:44] Alex Tsakiris: yeah. And it’s super important work and you’re bringing a lot forward that we definitely need to get out there and sort through and process. And I know I’ve kind of pushed back in a lot of ways, but I also wanna, at the same time, as I said in the beginning, Kind of connect this with the normie world in a way that helps us see how completely ridiculous that is at the same time, because, you know, we, we have disclosure now, which is like an unbelievable, well, it’s a fake, it’s a fake disclosure.
[01:03:21] Alex Tsakiris: It’s a very limited hangout disclosure. But I mean, who, you’ve been at this for long enough, and I have too, not to the extent that you have, but who would’ve ever thought that the New York Times would run the story and say, here they are. Here’s the video. And you know, that the senate, the, that Congress would say, Hey, we have to start looking at this because we do have these, there is an orchestrated manipulative, but there is a kind of disclosure that makes it undeniable.
[01:03:53] Alex Tsakiris: And yet, at the same time, when we look at the people who are, are public intellectuals, and you know, I love Lex Friedman and I listen to his show, but he talks about this like, there is no disclosure. And he has Avi Lo from Harvard on, and he talks about anomalous things, but they pretend like they haven’t seen the Tic-Tac videos.
[01:04:14] Alex Tsakiris: It’s like, what are we trying to do? What is going on here? For a lot of us, we’re kind of like, you know what, what, what game is being played? The other thing I would connect it to, and I I, I wanna get into this as well with you. The MK Ultra stuff is super important to this, and it’s been outed. I mean, I, I sent you the link to Annie Jacobson’s book.
[01:04:38] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, Annie Jacobson has 10 million views with Rogan. She pulls up way short, uh, with her book. Um, it’s a limited hangout kind of thing, but give her credit. It is the most thorough, uh, explanation of the whole NK Ultra project, starting with, uh, JE and, uh, his talking to the nine and the council, and you get all the, all the ET stuff is in there as well.
[01:05:06] Alex Tsakiris: And the, but then she brings it up to date with, in terms of the mind control stuff. It’s well freaking documented. So anyone who’s coming at this from a normy perspective and calling in to question anything that you just said needs to go read that fricking book because it’s all right there and foia, it’s like, hell, yes.
[01:05:25] Alex Tsakiris: We were doing that. We’re doing every kind of mind control imaginable. And it wasn’t just giving people L s D, it was Urian candidate, but it was also demonic. Let’s bring in the demonic guy. Let’s see what we can do. Let’s do dissociative identity disorder, uh, by, uh, on demand. You know, I interviewed, uh, Whitley Streiber a couple times.
[01:05:46] Alex Tsakiris: That is his experience, you know, being. Recruited into an Air Force program for gifted children cuz his dead and going in there and seeing the kids in Faraday cages and they’re cutting rabbits heads off and saying, if you ever say any of this, and they’re kind of traumatizing me doing this, this shit is all over the place.
[01:06:06] Alex Tsakiris: In terms of documenting, that’s,
[01:06:08] Eve Lorgen: yeah, that’s the MyLab thing where, I mean, it’s, it’s trauma-based, mind control taken to all these other levels of interacting in and out of time and, and, and is they really are doing these things, which is the reason why we need to understand how trauma affects the brain and how to restore our, our balance and then actually have more abilities than we would have if we hadn’t had that.
[01:06:32] Eve Lorgen: Actually, they’re, what they’re doing, I know it sounds nuts, but they’re, they’re activating what they call the meta gene, and I guess that’s just a term whether or not it’s real, but they’ll traumatize a lot of people sometimes killing them. Because they, they work with many, right? I mean, these are the black projects they’d never want you to know about.
[01:06:50] Eve Lorgen: And then they try to get some to activate, like an ability to do things like supernatural abilities, like the X-Men kind of thing, like by locating or, you know, popping in and out of time or doing whatever. And then certain people can do these things when they’re pushed to certain traumas of dissociation and then they have these abilities pop out, but they can only do it during certain triggers.
[01:07:11] Eve Lorgen: So the whole idea with a lot of these Montauk boys and these people who realized they were in these secret space programs is to recover and integrate their traumas, release the demonic and the, all the icky mind control triggers and restore their true and natural real abilities that they have. And then start using it for the good and start helping others.
[01:07:32] Eve Lorgen: And that’s what they’re trying to do.
[01:07:35] Alex Tsakiris: Well, what, what do you mean in that last part? That’s what, who is trying to do? Who, who’s,
[01:07:43] Eve Lorgen: this has been going on for a long time actually. Well,
[01:07:47] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, has it been going on for 788,000 years? I think it has. I interviewed Bruce Fenton and he shows kind of a genetic record and, uh, so shows techno signatures or, you know, look at the same thing with the MK Ultra Project.
[01:08:02] Alex Tsakiris: Part of it is the whole Stargate thing and the remote viewing thing. And if you look at those guys when they re remote view Mars, they see people over there. I don’t know if they’re US or if they’re non-human intelligences from, uh, extraterrestrials, but this is a million years ago, right? And if you go look at Dr.
[01:08:22] Alex Tsakiris: Uh, John Brandenburg and, uh, it’s the nuclear bomb trace elements in the isotopes from Mars. He’s a astrophysicist, he’s solid guy. You know, he is very published peer-reviewed papers on that. I, I, I think the time, the other thing that kind of irks me a little bit is when we kind of con wanna compress the timeframe down.
[01:08:45] Alex Tsakiris: Say, what about Roswell? That’s when this started. No. What if it started a million years ago? What if it started 750,000 years ago with ongoing genetic manipulation the whole way? Isn’t that how, why would, why wouldn’t it be that way? So when I hear, you know, Corey Goode, who now has outed himself as you know, not.
[01:09:08] Alex Tsakiris: Telling the truth in his deposition or whatever, or any of this other recent stuff, I have a hard time kind of really focusing on that as like, okay, this is it. You know, buckle up. It’s all happening right now. I mean, what do you think?
[01:09:23] Eve Lorgen: Well, I know that these projects are happening and many people don’t go public and they prefer not to, so I don’t, I know that there’s something going on, and there has been for a long time though.
[01:09:36] Eve Lorgen: I mean, we’re just in our current era of technology and culture that’s just taken it to the degree that it’s going. But I think this has been going on for thousands of years through ancient, uh, family lines and cults and that kind of thing. Um, from ancient Egypt and who knows, maybe Atlantis and some of these other Lemuria.
[01:09:57] Eve Lorgen: I think these things have been going on for a long time with the same kinds of beings that they’re connecting with to work through certain human groups and doing the same kinds of things. Maybe they weren’t as technologically the same, but then again, maybe they were, maybe they were even more so, so.
[01:10:13] Alex Tsakiris: Well, that’s why, you know, the question for me for a while has been, and I really pushed Mary on this, and I love, she gave me a, a really concise answer too, but my kind of cheeky question is, does et have an n D e, does et have a life review? And so I had to ask her that a few times. She. Well, well, yeah. She goes, I remember doing a regression with a gentleman who went to a past life where he was, uh, et he was from another planet and he reme, he remembered just kind of decimating this culture, which was just kind of a, a primitive culture.
[01:10:56] Alex Tsakiris: And he went in and they just, you know, kind of wiped it out and did all the stuff that we know from our historical past, you know, has happened both by us, but also seems to have been reported in their lore as happening from other entities that came in and did this. And he’s identifying with this, and he’s having a very hard time dealing with this cuz it wasn’t a conscious memory he had, but it came up under, um, regression.
[01:11:22] Alex Tsakiris: And as you know, people want a poo poo regression, but when you really push on the evidence for regression, it’s highly, highly, uh, significantly verifiable. I mean, people can bring recover memories, not in all cases, it can be, you know, misused, but it can be a real tool for memory. But anyways, the, the point back to that is she says, yes, ET does have an n D e.
[01:11:52] Alex Tsakiris: To me, that is my only way I can understand the hierarchy of consciousness. Is that because , the central, most salient point of the near death experience is more than anything else, is one, it’s about love. It’s about connection, and, and people don’t go fishing for that if you just go and look at the accounts.
[01:12:12] Alex Tsakiris: That’s what they say. Overwhelmingly over 90%. But the other thing is that you will be judged. You will be judged. There is a right and wrong, there is a moral imperative. And you will be judged, but you will be the judge. Your soul will be the judge of your actions, your deeds. That’s what comes through from the near death experience science.
[01:12:35] Alex Tsakiris: So that’s why to me, the, the most relevant question is, is ET Going through that same cycle, I believe, from what I’ve seen, is that I suspect that ET is ET is in the school of life, whatever that is broader than just down on this planet. And to me, that makes the whole thing seem a lot different than to think it’s some kind of war against good and bad.
01:13:02] Alex Tsakiris: But good doesn’t really have an upper hand. We don’t know who’s gonna come out the, the near death experience. Science kind of tells us something different, kind of tells us, Hey man, the light is a billion times more powerful, more meaningful than the dark. But you’re gonna play out this little. Drama down here.
[01:13:21] Alex Tsakiris: That’s okay. It’s part of the school. It’s part of the thing. But you’re all gonna be advancing based on what you’re able to do down here. So I, I’ll laid a ton on the table there. What, what are some of your thoughts?
[01:13:34] Eve Lorgen: Well, I mean, who could, I mean, when people have these experiences, I can’t question them. I think love is really important and maybe having a perspective of how we affect others in our different existences is important.
[01:13:50] Eve Lorgen: But one of the things that, uh, Dr. Carrado Malanga brought to light in his research was that, , the beings that he called, the beings that were the more malevolent ets, I guess, , he claimed that they did not have the eternal spirit or anima that we had, and that they, they could exist in time and space, but they were temporal.
[01:14:13] Eve Lorgen: So they would have to kind of borrow and attach onto us and use our eternal spirit to live through us in whatever capacity they wanted. So they’re kind of like piggy backers. So part of the, , recovery process to prevent them from interfering was to release them. And they, they had to stay back in the temporal realm while we connected with our eternal spirit and then worked with our eternal spirit to get rid of that, which is truly not us.
[01:14:40] Eve Lorgen: So if it was an attached thing that really is. Us or originally us then, then it would go back to its origin and not bother us anymore. So part of his theory, and this is what I believe with respect to those that are, , what I call the narcissists who create chaos and drama and feed on negative or a lot of emotion, , they’re obviously doing something to feed on.
[01:15:05] Eve Lorgen: And we see that a lot with certain entities that they attach and they feed on negative or positive emotions and that, or they create a lot of chaos. So they, they tend to, why do they have to do that? What are they not connected to that they have to feed on someone else? And I don’t think predation is normal.
[01:15:24] Eve Lorgen: I don’t think predation is a normal state of being, but in this realm it is. But I think that where we come from eternally, predation and parasitism is not even like a thing. I think it’s something here because there’s beings who need something that we have and they’re just gonna take it. And that’s just what they’re doing.
[01:15:46] Eve Lorgen: And that’s how I see a lot of it. The ones that have a malevolent, uh, effect and that they, they, they draw up all this energy and drama and chaos and then when you release ’em, it’s like, ah, then you feel peace that you’re like, it’s just not an issue anymore. So, I have to ask that question. And that comes to me.
[01:16:04] Eve Lorgen: The good and evil is like, evil would be something that wants to create a lot of misery and chaos and feed on that negative energy and actually have a malicious intent, or not care at all about how they affect you. That, to me is, is evil or just so ignorant or like a machine or something. I don’t know.
[01:16:23] Eve Lorgen: So I don’t know. , but I think the ones that are good, that they would be eternal also, and they’re just going through a, an existence and an experience and learning from it like we are.
[01:16:33] Alex Tsakiris: Well, I, I was with you there and then you kind of threw me at the end. So w where, how are you understanding these extended realms as it relates to, you know, cuz in this conversation we’ve kind of, and, and I’m not being, , I, I’m not being critical, , because I think we, we we’re, there’s so much, you know, are we, , How are we to understand these extended conscious realms?
[01:16:59] Alex Tsakiris: Is there such a thing as lower realms? What does that even mean? We see that through many, many cultures and they talk about us. How close are we to these lower realms? Are there such a thing as higher realms? Are there some higher realms that are closer to us than other realms? What would that even mean then if we start talking about , different phenomenon that we talk about experience, you know, autobody travel, where are we going?
[01:17:26] Alex Tsakiris: , the dream yoga, when says go to those realms, here they are. Here’s the directions, here’s the roadmap. Where are they et where is et what, you know? So I think we gotta pin this down a little bit more and I’m interested in what your read of it is
[01:17:44] Eve Lorgen: well, I think, I don’t know, I just think there’s good ones and, and bad ones. And the, and the bad ones are like narcissistic and parasites and predators or like machines and they, they’re amoral. Or like amor, they don’t like, they don’t care. They’re just doing a job. And it’s like their program and a lot of ’em kind of act like it’s just a program, you know, they’re just doing what they’re doing cuz they have to do it and it’s their job.
[01:18:08] Eve Lorgen: They don’t really care how it affects you. But I, my sense is that if somebody really has an immortal, eternal spirit and they’re living an experience, they’re eventually going to, to learn and, and not have to be predators. And parasites. So when, when someone, when someone does recover their trauma like a human, we really go through recovery and, and you connect with your spirit and you like release the grief and, and you, the, the joy and the compassion of your natural spirit comes back in a sense of peace and goodness and harmony comes back.
[01:18:41] Eve Lorgen: And so that’s a restoration of your original nature without the trauma.
[01:18:47] Alex Tsakiris: Evie, we have met the enemy and it is us. We have met the Nazis. It is us. , the, the pictures that Abu grave are still burned in all our memories of, you know, let’s do enhanced interrogation of people. This is great.
[01:19:02] Alex Tsakiris: Let’s get do all sorts of weird sexual stuff. Let’s abuse people. This is our government. Everything we’ve done, this is the, the history I always put on to slavery. You know, let’s have enslaved these people, , rape these kids. Let’s go to church and come home and go, oh, it’s okay. And then, How, how are we not in absolutely in the middle of this?
[01:19:25] Alex Tsakiris: And at the same time we identify with, I want you on that wall. I need you on that wall cuz I don’t want the Chinese marching in here and telling me that, you know, I I, whatever illusion I have of, uh, self-determination and free will is out the window and it should all be for the state either. So there, there’s a lot of complexity here that kind of gets swept under the rug with some of this stuff.
[01:19:50] Alex Tsakiris: Yeah, yeah.
[01:19:53] Eve Lorgen: I, I just, well, the, I see where it’s swept under the rug and, um, and I, I see problems with, um, like feeding the predator parasite programming the enablers. And so why are they not seeing that they’re enabling the predators? Why are they not aware of this? It’s sometimes, it’s, it’s a perplexing question.
[01:20:13] Eve Lorgen: Like, well how come you can’t see this? How come you can’t see the harm you’re doing when you’re doing that? Like, why are people blind Sometimes you have to ask the question,
[01:20:26] Alex Tsakiris: do you know the, the Michael Aquino story? Do you know who Michael Aquino is? Yeah. Colonel Michael Aquino. He’s dead now.
[01:20:33] Alex Tsakiris: He’s dead now. I mean, he was a satanist Yeah. Pedophile. I mean, at least that’s what the government concluded when they finally let ’em go. But they weren’t able inside the, our judicial system or the military. Judicial system to ever convict him or anything. So that is who we are. You know, that, that is us, that is our democracy, is Satanist Colonel Michael Aquino, who’s a pedophile and is respected among his super soldier peers in the military.
[01:21:08] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, I, I, I don’t, I don’t know how we get out of that without going spiritual in a way that is, transcends all this, oh, we’re the center of the story and it’s all about us. And it, it can’t be all about us. It has to be bigger than that.
[01:21:27] Eve Lorgen: Well, there are malevolent groups that control and, , through trickery and mind control and spiritual deception to prevent us from perceiving the whole thing.
[01:21:39] Eve Lorgen: And then when you do, , you’re alone for a while and get targeted. Sometimes they kill you, but then sometimes other people kind of wake up too. And I just think it reminds me of that a Rand movie, , Atlas Shrugged and I don’t know why, but that movie stuck with. In the end where I guess it was John Gat had a statement that, you know, what he discovered all along that, you know, don’t ever allow them to steal the fire of your spirit, which is, you know, the spirit of invention, uh, individuality to, to get ahead to stripe for excellence and not allow the program, it’s like the communist program, uh, to basically feed the predator in the parasite and then let everything else go to shit.
[01:22:24] Eve Lorgen: Because well, we’re just gonna let allow them to, to do and be what they do and we’ll feel sorry for ’em and not see what’s really happening with the overall evil of this whole scheme. So let’s just escape and create another world and just like, sorry, we’re, we’re going elsewhere. So sometimes I wonder if, if that’s what some groups have done or some secret yogis who have all these like, phenomenal abilities or go hiding out, they’re like, they’re off the radar.
[01:22:53] Eve Lorgen: They don’t wanna go and argue and be on the disclosure panel and, and play that game for freaking 30 years and find out where that goes. You know what I mean?
[01:23:01] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, well, I do know what you mean. But isn’t that part of the personal development and education process too? I mean, because that goes, that’s another part of the recovery process, isn’t it?
[01:23:13] Alex Tsakiris: When you say complex trauma is, how do I deal with these, these people who all over the board as you? Folks, you, you will get a lot out of these books if you read them. They’re challenging. The material will seriously, fundamentally, , rattle your paradigm. But we all need that and on a regular basis.
[01:23:37] Eve Lorgen: Well, we need to tell the truth though. I think like, part of the process is we can’t like run away and just like, okay, I’m done with this place. There ain’t gonna listen. Right? Um, so I’m just like leaving and you create another world or shambala or something.
[01:23:49] Eve Lorgen: But I think part of our process, even people who’ve gone through like 12 step programs or recovery or, you know, witnessing, doing their testimony and witness for Jesus, whatever it is, there’s, there comes a point where you need to, we need to tell the truth and express ourselves for what our truth is and find meaning and belonging in that process.
[01:24:11] Eve Lorgen: We, we heal as a result of being able to tell the truth as we understand it, as we’re learning the whole way. And I think we al we always need a connection with another human being or more to express our truth safely. And I think that’s a real important part of recovery when we can create that safety to express whatever that experience is without, you know, feeling we’re gonna be, you know, ridiculed or killed
[01:24:37] Alex Tsakiris: . And that, that’s an awesome point. And let’s talk a little bit about the flip side of that too, which is the, the after effects proselytizing kind of stuff, because this is a real issue, I don’t know if you’re aware of it, but in the near death experience research, right. So again, what I love about the near death experience research is there’s a scientific angle of it where we say, okay, physiologically, this defies explanation.
[01:25:04] Alex Tsakiris: Our neurological models are out the window now, but now let’s go look at the accounts. And then like we talked about, if you go look cross culture and you go look in India and you say, oh my God, these people are having this basically Samati experience, they’re kind of waking up and they’re all about God and love and some fantastic things are happening, including some paranormal psychic things, but they’re also filled with the Holy Spirit or whatever.
[01:25:31] Alex Tsakiris: And the people in India will go, okay, yeah, what we need to do is kind of take care of ’em over here, put ’em, you know, go feed ’em, you know, keep pat ’em on the head and six months later it’ll kind of settle down and they’ll kind of come back and can rejoin society. This is like the traditional kind of Indian thing.
[01:25:49] Alex Tsakiris: Well, the near death experience, , because there’s a technological component of that, which we’ll talk about in terms of MK Ultra cuz it’s so important. But it, with near death experience, it’s resuscitation. We are now resuscitating people, bringing ’em back from the dead in greater numbers. What does that mean in terms of people having these experiences?
[01:26:09] Alex Tsakiris: But people have these experience and they do higher divorce rates and kind of depression and suicidal ideation and all this other stuff is higher, much higher than normal because it is this spiritually transformative experience and that rattles people’s lives. So you are, I’m sure, all over this in your work, but speak to that for a minute in terms of feeling your truth, embodying your truth, but at the same time finding a way to integrate into, you know, , our social structure in a way that isn’t gonna totally scrub your life.
[01:26:51] Eve Lorgen: Totally. That’s the big. I mean, that’s the hard part. Like if, if you’ve had a profound experience where you, let’s say, realize something that’s out of the norm of the bell curve of the population for what they believe is reality, it makes you feel alone and isolated for a time unless you could basically find your own kind or your own tribe and get the social relational support to, to be with at least some mutual understanding.
[01:27:21] Eve Lorgen: And that that’s a big, a big thing that makes people depressed when they find out. Uh, I think like the narc abuse recovery for example, is a big, , it’s a good parallel to use and it’s something that, um, a therapist named Ross Rosenberg does with his a 12 step recovery from self-love def deficit disorder.
[01:27:41] Eve Lorgen: But basically, People found out who were co-dependents, who were like married or had partners that were like narcissistic personality disorder. You know, like it’s the worst kind of relationship you can have. But, but it’s like a magnet syndrome of unresolved complex trauma on both ends. That’s like two sides of the same coin.
[01:27:58] Eve Lorgen: So once you, let’s say it’s the co-dependent end that tends to get into recovery because they’re the ones that hurt the most. And the other, the other ones really don’t get well, which is actually a worse curse when you think about it. But once you start getting well and you start realizing the truth and quit gaslighting yourself and quit doubting yourself and recover your identity and, you know, release the grief, , then there’s like a stage of like kind of being suspended in a no man’s land of like losing 75 to 80% of your friends and then like trying to find, start dating again when you’re just really afraid you’re gonna attract another one of those.
[01:28:34] Eve Lorgen: And, and just having to, to start all over again from knowing that you’re gonna lose a lot of family connections and friend connections and maybe even jobs. And that’s, that’s the, the part where you really have to get through that and start building connections with your own kind that have that level of understanding and then start building from that place.
[01:28:57] Eve Lorgen: But the isolation. Is really hard. But when you, you know, top it off with like, , my Labi people for example, or people who’ve been through love bites, it’s not only the isolation that you can have from the standard psychological thing, but sometimes, you know, they try to kill you. They do murder your mentors.
[01:29:14] Eve Lorgen: They, they make you sick, they poison you, they give you cancer. They financially, they, you get targeted. You turn into a targeted individual and this is the real test. This is like, okay, you have to be a super yogi, enlightened being to start dealing with this shit now because this is the place we’re gonna have to be, to really overcome all these things so that we can go to the next level.
[01:29:37] Eve Lorgen: So that when humanity really starts waking up and realizing what’s been kind of running the show and keeping them dummy down, um, they’re gonna be really pissed. They’re gonna be going through a lot of trauma and they may not come out of it unless they have somebody there for them. I, I mean, I’m a, I think most people can’t handle the truth to be honest.
[01:29:59] Eve Lorgen: I mean, if they really knew, like the, the, like the deep, deep stuff, like the secret space program and the real entities and like the real, the real weird WOOWOO stuff, most people just could not handle it. So,
[01:30:12] Alex Tsakiris: so if that is a, a bridge too far for a lot of people, yeah, I think we need to connect it to what we already know is kind of happening like with, uh, targeting.
[01:30:27] Alex Tsakiris: We already have documented proof that they’re targeting people in all sorts of ways. But in, in, in particular, in the, you know, the, the, I I guess I’d wanna break that down from kind of the kindergarten level of the MyLab stuff. And we kind of touched on it with Whitley streamer. But the other way to to, to approach it is to say, well, why wouldn’t the military industrial complex, the alphabet soup agencies, as everybody say, why wouldn’t they want to know what is going on with, uh, people who have had these contacts or even alleged contacts?
[01:31:08] Alex Tsakiris: So what you would wanna do is you would wanna get these people and you’d wanna talk to them, and you would wanna talk to them in a way that doesn’t reveal that you what, you know, and we actually have evidence of this. I mean, uh, Richard Doty was outed for doing this with Paul Benowitz. It’s out. They wrote the book, remember that they did the movie and the only thing they did is they, they did it before disclosure.
[01:31:33] Alex Tsakiris: So they hit it as, oh, he must have seen a stealth bomber. Well, no, he didn’t see a stealth bomber. We all know now that disclosure, we know that he saw what he saw. So I, if that is a bridge too far, kind of walk it back a little bit and how, how would you get a normie to understand this idea of. Targeting and this idea of you being someone who, , they could have a special interest in and could cause havoc and interfere with someone’s life.
[01:32:08] Eve Lorgen: I mean, well, I mean, gosh, I don’t know if it helps to, to like whine about it all the time. , once you know, you’re, you’re a targeted individual, , it doesn’t help like socially to like tell people that, like, it’s better just to not say anything and try to connect on, on like, normal levels of like walking your dog and going to the park and gardening together and cooking together and just reducing your life to actually simplicity of connecting on like real natural easy levels and just working on increasing your, your love for one another and for people to treat each other with kindness and just focus on that so that if you can build that quality, that can overcome the, the malevolent effects of some of the targeting.
[01:32:56] Eve Lorgen: , and this is what, , some people that I know who could perceive things in different ways. It’s as if there’s a technology that’s overlaying humanity. We can call it like the, the softest, uh, Rudolph Steiner people called it the , which is a almost like a machine-like contractual. Malevolent controlling evil machine-like amoral force that can move in and around and create chaos and as if it, you, you know, it has a program, so it’s like it’s automated.
[01:33:26] Eve Lorgen: Once they have your frequency, you’re on this automated program for shit to happen. But it happens in clusters and waves, and it operates almost like a, like a machine. So if you could figure out how to bring light into that, into your consciousness and the people you’re with, to just basically create cracks of light and awareness to break up those clouds, those psychic clouds, then you won’t be as influenced by those when you’re, when you’re in one of those clouds, uh, when, when they’re targeting you, because it’s like, it’s almost like a, we call ’em like dark astral blobs where it’s like, oh no, I, I feel another one coming.
[01:34:05] Eve Lorgen: You know, and then, then for the next few hours you’re like, oh my God, I just threw me one, you know? And, and then trying to bring light to it so that you don’t react and you, you pull in light and then all of a sudden things just shift and change. So it’s like you have to change your patterns and habits of thinking and believing, and regardless of that wave that happened through whoever it happened through, not to blame them because they’re just being part of it.
[01:34:30] Eve Lorgen: It’s like, don’t know to blame ’em, you know? Well, sometimes it is just because they’re, they’re. They’re part of it. They’re, it’s their consciousness. It’s, it’s hard to explain, but I think our own light and our own awareness and our own intentions, , could create cracks in that so that we actually start creating our reality and we start dreaming differently.
[01:34:51] Eve Lorgen: And they can’t. They can’t. It’s like they’re infecting our dreaming reality process with stupid ass shit programs that we don’t want that’s coming in through different, uh, perceptual windows, but they’re able to do it more easily. And, and if we could manage to pull those out and not have those enter into our re reality creation mechanism and our dreaming, then we can smooth more clearly in and around all this stuff.
[01:35:16] Eve Lorgen: And just basically, nobody even knows who you are. They don’t have to know who you, you just,
[01:35:23] Alex Tsakiris: just do it. Wonderful, wonderful. We, we keep coming back. I keep coming at it from an evidential scientific kind of prove it kind of thing. Cuz I think that’s an important truth for people to get. And then you keep flipping it to the therapeutic model, which is No, no, don’t, don’t apologize.
[01:35:41] Alex Tsakiris: No, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s beautiful. And I, I hope that in this kind of herky jerky conversation, people can understand that if you’re at a place where what Evie’s saying resonates at all in terms of anomalous trauma. We haven’t even talked about the relationship stuff, but I guess we’ve touched on it, if that resonates at all in.
[01:36:04] Alex Tsakiris: You know, my relationship seems to have anomalous trauma associated with it, whether it’s, you know, not demonic or benevolent or I was part of a, I was part of a a, a Wicca group or, you know, I was practicing satanism or Black Magic. And next thing you know, I’ve, I’ve talked to people like this, you know, you’ll talk to ’em and they’ll say they have these things going, going on.
[01:36:29] Alex Tsakiris: And then you go, well, how, you know, well, I guess we did do these kind of, uh, occult practices, you know, that’s like, oh really? Do you, do you think, uh, anyways, I don’t want to go too farfield. If that, it all resonates with you as with, you know, we have it kind of done the full bifurcation with the alien contact Contactee, and is that evil benevolent or is it just somebody doing their job, you know, on sector six planet, whatever, if that resonates at all.
[01:36:59] Alex Tsakiris: I think you get a sense that this person who I’m talking to today has walked this walk and might be able to help you. And that’s what you do. You try and help people, number one with support, right? Both one-on-one support and group support. How, how does that work
[01:37:17] Eve Lorgen: really? It’s, , well, people come to me for sessions.
[01:37:19] Eve Lorgen: I usually work with Zoom or phone. Um, and then it’s really sometimes just to tell me what’s going on with them. Because they need some kind of confirmation or to figure out what, what’s really happening. And then oftentimes I could do a guided hypnotherapy to do deeper work or, or sometimes to, to do a group where we do, um, dream work.
[01:37:39] Eve Lorgen: We start working with dreams as a way of healing and getting greater insights and working with the, the dreaming reality mechanism and really assessing perception on a whole different level. So I work with individuals and groups and mostly zoom though online.
[01:37:56] Alex Tsakiris: , that I guess leads into one of the parts of the book that I really appreciated cuz so few people talk about it as directly as you do, even though you just touch on, that’s a tiny part of the book is the deception element.
[01:38:10] Alex Tsakiris: Mm. And there’s so many parts to that. There is definitely, in my opinion, and I think it’s just very hard to argue this, we are being run through, uh, misinformation disinformation program constantly, and it’s constantly evolving and it’s incredibly sophisticated. And, you know, I’ll just, uh, mention to you like the Lou Elizondo thing.
[01:38:35] Alex Tsakiris: You know, Lou Eli Elizondo, he’s a counterintelligence agent. That’s what it says on his freaking card. And yet he’s on 60 minutes, he’s on the history channel. He’s promoting the narrative on disclosure. And that’s like a small, tiny example from your world. But it’s so clear, and I mentioned some other ones in this thing.
[01:38:57] Alex Tsakiris: So you talk about that kind of deception, that kind of programming that’s being thrown at us all the time to kind of knock us off kilter and to make it harder for us to integrate with other people when we say, Hey, you know, this is true. And they go, oh no, didn’t you hear I just read this? Then there is also, and I want you to talk about this too, there is the self deception.
[01:39:19] Alex Tsakiris: Now, I don’t know how you deal with that because you’re a people helper and somebody comes for you therapeutically. They don’t need you saying, You know, you’re probably kind of diluting yourself a little bit here, but that is in play too. So how do you deal with those two aspects of deception? And then how do we find discernment through all
[01:39:42] Eve Lorgen: that?
[01:39:43] Eve Lorgen: I mean, um, well, for me, direct realization of your eternal nature is always the best, uh, gold standard, you know, to launch from. But sometimes we don’t have that. And I found that discernment is directly related to or say inversely proportional to the amount of trauma you’ve had. So the more trauma we’ve had, that means the more self disconnection we have from our eternal nature and our heart.
[01:40:10] Eve Lorgen: Cuz you know, we don’t wanna remember all those icky feelings and memories, so we have to like stay in the head and live in the, um, illusion. So that takes away your discernment. So we always have to reconnect to create discernment, but I think there’s a level of, hmm, ethics where you really have to have a pure heart of goodness to, , allow truth to come through.
[01:40:35] Eve Lorgen: , because if you really don’t have a good intention and you really wanna hide your stuff and not feel and know the truth, then you’ll be easily deceived. , and spiritual manipulation is, is some of the worst. And, and I’ve seen this, this is why I know it’s true. And I’m, I’m, I’m basically a Christian because of, of what I’ve.
[01:40:56] Eve Lorgen: But let’s say the high level deceivers, you’re talking about high level spiritual beings who could masquerade as wonderful ascended masters, and they could do these twin flame things. They could activate your kundalini, they can give you accurate information, they can give you psychic information to lead you on a certain way, and then they will confirm with their bonafides that everything’s gonna go fine as long as you follow their way and, and you really believe that it’s true and have this kind of spiritual arrogance.
[01:41:24] Eve Lorgen: But once you challenge it, because they actually led someone astray. And I learned this from people who went to psychics and tarots or even eat Ching or this or that, and they led them to the, to the frigging love by that was like hosted by a demonn and told ’em it was their twin flame and it led ’em into this like horrible relationship that was, well who is this hierarchy?
[01:41:47] Eve Lorgen: Giving ’em psychic information when they’re leading ’em down that road?
[01:41:51] Alex Tsakiris: Okay. Okay. Lemme jump in because I, I, I’ve kind of sidestep the whole love bite thing and it’s central to what you do and let’s just tackle it here. Two hours in or hour half into this. But the, the, the reason I think it, it really resonates and it’s awesome.
[01:42:07] Alex Tsakiris: So awesome. And I know it seems like I’m pushing on you really hard, but I think your work is so important and that’s why I guess I’m pushing to kind of tidy up some of what I see is kind of the loose ends there. Why would. Either the why would an entity that was trying to manipulate control in all these ways we’re talking about, why would they focus on relationships?
[01:42:33] Alex Tsakiris: Well, that’s the biggest
[01:42:34] Eve Lorgen: lush feed. Um, the sexual energy is life force energy and emotional energy is a big feed. So you get more energy and you feel more a life, um, through relationship emotions and especially sexual energy like tantric sexual kundalini, that’s like the super wow, whatever, right? So a lot of these beings, that’s where they go right for it and they’ll, they’ll activate your kundalini and they’ll make you think that, you know, you met your twin flame or you get set up in certain situations and then you find out later that it, oh my god, you know, that was like a manipulation.
[01:43:09] Eve Lorgen: And then I’m drained and I was, led down a path that I thought was true. And then I found out that this guru is like totally manipulating all these people, but he still has like these magical powers cuz he’s pulling it off other people’s life force. And it’s like, wow, you know, how come I didn’t see this?
[01:43:26] Eve Lorgen: How come all these people didn’t see that? How come my perception was like, what happened? Why didn’t we perceive those spiritual predators? That’s my big question. It’s like, how come we didn’t see those spiritual predators? How come we weren’t warned about ’em? And how come we have narratives and religions that are enabling those Brigham predators continue doing what they’re.
[01:43:50] Alex Tsakiris: Those are all good questions. But the other kind of related answer, if you will, and it comes right out of those questions, is that if you had advanced intelligence, either non-human intelligence on the spiritual realm or non-human intelligence on the ET realm, we don’t even know what those two mean and how they’re different.
[01:44:12] Alex Tsakiris: So we were just kind of playing with wordsmith there, but what I hear you saying is this is where you’d go. I mean, if you were just gonna kind of, if, if you or I were sitting in the role of these benevolent beings and we say, okay, how do we get this done? Where do we go? Do we go money? Oh, let’s go money.
[01:44:31] Alex Tsakiris: And another guy says, oh, no, no, no, let’s go over here. Let’s go, you know, greed or this, and then the guy says, screw all that. Here’s where you go. You go right here, you go sexual, you go relationship, you go emotion. And everyone goes, ah, of course you’re right. That’s where we go, all the rest of the stuff.
[01:44:48] Alex Tsakiris: You know what I mean? That is the, that is the answer is if you were an advanced intelligent intelligence, this is where you would wind up going.
[01:44:57] Eve Lorgen: Yeah. Yeah. They would, they would traumatize people multi-generationally and then give them lies about God or li and they would gaslight you so that when you felt bad about them treating you like shit, , you know, you would, you wouldn’t believe yourself anymore.
[01:45:11] Eve Lorgen: You would say, oh, it must be me.
[01:45:14] Alex Tsakiris: Particularly with this relationship thing. Yeah. On a kind of, on a sub-project level. Like if you look at MK Ultra, they have all these projects and sub-projects. I mean, a major sub-project would be exactly the kind of stuff you’re talking about in the book. Let’s kind of pit these two people against each other in a sexual relationship.
[01:45:34] Alex Tsakiris: Let’s get these people involved. Let’s, you would, you would just absolutely do that. It would, why? It’d be so powerful.
[01:45:42] Eve Lorgen: Yeah. They keep people at each other with chaos in the relationships and unresolved trauma so that people hurt one another and fight one another when really there’s somebody else pulling the strings and feeding off of all of that.
[01:45:57] Eve Lorgen: And so that’s why, you know, go back to simplistic. If we can go back to simplistic teachings of, you know, honoring and loving one another. As much as we can so that, um, their power to cause us to get in fights and to hurt one another is not as powerful. And so that when they really target you, uh, when someone’s hungry or when someone, you know, lost a place to live, someone lovingly will take ’em in and help ’em find a job instead of living, they’re out on the streets to, to just fend for themselves.
[01:46:27] Eve Lorgen: It’s, it, we really have to love each other more. I know it’s hard. It’s, it’s, it’s, I just feel like this has been going on for a very, very long time because the, the poverty of, you know, like women and children and human trafficking and the abuse and the, you know, I know in the patriarchal religions, like it was always the orphans and the widows that the whole of the New Testament people, like the whole of their job was like helping orphans and widows.
[01:46:53] Eve Lorgen: Well, what the hell, what problem is that? Why are there so many orphans and widows in the first place? This is what my question was. Why are they making them believe in the devaluation of women and children to begin with that causes that problem all the time? So they’re spending all their time doing the religion to help the women and the children, but it never gets resolved.
[01:47:15] Alex Tsakiris: Well, well, that’s, that’s because religion is, is and always has been a social engineering project first and foremost. And that’s the problem I have with Christianity. If you go and look at the history and if you read Josephus, the Roman slash Jewish historian, he lays out. Josephus wore the Jews 4.5 0.6.
[01:47:37] Alex Tsakiris: He lays bare the social engineering operation only. It was first to the Jews. You know, it’s like, Hey, Titus is really the Messiah. All, all the Jewish people like me, we should realize that, you know, he’s really at, well, then they just pull the same thing with Jesus on the next thing with, with Constantine and that whole thing.
[01:47:54] Alex Tsakiris: It’s, it’s just, it’s very effective. Why wouldn’t you do that? Why wouldn’t you? If I wanna control a population, do I wanna really go in there with, uh, weapons and arms and March my troops? If I can just say, Hey, it’s, this is it, this is the book. Just follow the book. We’re all under the same thing. If I can control you that way, it’s just the much more efficient way to, to do it.
[01:48:19] Alex Tsakiris: I, I don’t know. To me it isn’t even that difficult to understand. What’s hard to understand is why, but this is the super big spiritual question. Why is God allowing this to play out? You know, why is, and I, I resist the idea that, and I was gonna say this before, I resist the idea that God needs our help in any of this.
[01:48:39] Alex Tsakiris: You know, uh, God needs our help. We gotta, we’re soldiers. It just doesn’t, that just doesn’t square, you know, somehow I’m on some kind of soul journey. I need to find truth. I need to be the embodiment of that truth. I need to grow in all the rest of that, that I get the idea that I need to go strike down some.
[01:49:01] Alex Tsakiris: You know, evil being, you know, it just doesn’t, logically it doesn’t add up to how that could work. And, and I kind of feel like you’re coming from a slightly different place on that.
[01:49:13] Eve Lorgen: Well, I think, well, what, what moved me the most was actually discovery of, , how narcissistic abuse really works and how it’s enabled in our culture and society and, and how to truly recover from that, what we really need to be and do.
[01:49:30] Eve Lorgen: And that, that to me, moved me more even than learning about alien abductions. It was just another form of let’s say narcissistic abuse and mind control and spiritual deception to take our, , resources and, and then gaslight us into thinking it’s like all our fault. There’s something wrong with us. But if we really reconnect with our true essence, , we find ways to get around.
[01:49:51] Eve Lorgen: Like basically with narcissists, you don’t really, , fight them directly. If you tell them what they are, they just, they’re like, what do you call it? Pigs in a pig pen. They’re always better at fighting and, and turning around on you, and they’re just met, they’re just better at you. Doing what they do. So it’s, it’s like gray rocking and you ignore them, you don’t give them your attention.
[01:50:11] Eve Lorgen: You, you just kind of move around it and you basically have to accept your losses. You may not ever be able to recover your losses from their theft, which will never stop as long as you interact with them. So you basically just have to start connecting with people who understand the nature of the predator versus the nature of those who are not predators.
[01:50:33] Eve Lorgen: I mean, I just see it as like the predators, plain and simple, and maybe it’s ignorance, but I’m not there to try to make them better. I’m there to, to learn and get better myself, and they can find their own path because I, I need to recover. I, I’m not gonna take care of ’em and then starve to death. Trying to always take care of all these people who are never gonna change, you know?
[01:50:55] Eve Lorgen: It’s like, yeah.
[01:50:57] Alex Tsakiris: I, I, I hear you. , but this is such a interesting topic to me because we all, , I appreciate that the narcissistic thing is just way overused to the point of where it’s kind of lost its meaning and , it’s become.
[01:51:10] Alex Tsakiris: uh, a gender kind of thing in a way that it really shouldn’t in that, you know, we’re usually talking about men when we talking about mar narcissist and we’re we’re women narcissist too. No, no. I, I get it. But you also get that, you know, that’s when we hear, when I hear a lot of the interviews you do, I mean, that’s what we’re really kind of a lot of times talking about.
[01:51:29] Alex Tsakiris: And it loses the fact that the other parts of our culture that we’re comfortable with are very much about promoting that kind of male energy that borders on narcissism, you know, the get thing done kind of mentality. The protect at all cost mentality. The, I need you on that wall, I want you on that wall.
[01:51:54] Alex Tsakiris: Go take that hill. Doesn’t matter how you do it kind of energy. We are a product of that. We are a product of the most narcissistic people that fought bravely for us to chop that other guy’s head off in a one-on-one battle. You know what I mean? And I think we’re trying to understand that and resolve that.
[01:52:16] Alex Tsakiris: And sometimes I think when we, the way we talk about narcissism doesn’t help. So it’s like labels are problematic in so many ways, but so is the cultural overlay on this. And what I really resonate with much more than the narcissistic thing is the trauma thing that you’re talking about, both anomalous trauma and the kind of non anomalous trauma.
[01:52:41] Alex Tsakiris: And I thought it was very beautiful and eloquent. The way that you said of our ability to kind of be our full self is inversely proportional. The mono trauma we can relieve. To me, that’s the samskara thing. That is the yogic thing that I totally get and understand.
[01:53:01] Alex Tsakiris: I’m not sure that narcissism exactly fits into that other than we all got yet. And some of the shit winds up looking a lot like narcissistic behavior.
[01:53:16] Eve Lorgen: Yeah, but there’s a real personality disorder that, that’s actually more, um, you know, pathological and it comes from complex trauma. So that’s the ones that I’m talking about that like even in my work where when someone became hosted by an entity, it was because of that personality style and the trauma that actually allowed those entities to even exacerbate those behaviors.
[01:53:42] Eve Lorgen: So, Yeah, that’s what I mean. But not, not in the normal male female. No, this is complex trauma that I’m talking
[01:53:50] Alex Tsakiris: about. I, I, I just think that all that gets really blurry and I think the labeling gets really blurry. And then when we say real, you know, from some psychology perspective, like they have any freaking clue, they still don’t believe that consciousness is real.
[01:54:03] Alex Tsakiris: I mean, the official position among psychology is that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the brain. So all this stuff that we’re talking about, I is a product of the brain. There is nothing real in terms of your conscious experience. They’re not there yet. When we talk about spiritually transformative experiences at the beginning, at the APA conference, there ain’t no breakouts.
[01:54:25] Alex Tsakiris: Those, those breakouts on spiritual transformative experiences are like tiny compared to overall psychology hasn’t come around to the idea that there are these extended consciousness realms. You are, because that’s where you live and that’s where you work. But in general, that’s why you tell people they can’t, the people that come to you, they can’t go to a normal therapist.
[01:54:45] Alex Tsakiris: Right. They go to a normal therapist. So, I mean, that’s why I think it does get kind of siloed a little bit where you kinda see it and you lose sight of the, the, the world that that really exists out there and how it is so detached from what you and I accept as an obvious, obvious reality, which is, of course, there are these other realms.
[01:55:09] Eve Lorgen: Yeah. I, I wish it was easier. But, uh, sometimes you don’t have to talk about experiences. Like I’ve found that, um, we didn’t have to go into the story and the particularities of the story of the weirdness and just talk about feelings and, and feelings and needs from like a really basic human level. And then, then you’re able to do work with a therapist without having to like, give national security secrets or, or get in trouble that you’re, you know, um, talking about shit that they’re just gonna you get in trouble for.
[01:55:41] Eve Lorgen: So there’s ways to get around that because sometimes it is a national security issue, um, and you really can’t talk about it. So, I feel sorry for people who have to work for those, you know, companies and they really can’t talk and, yeah.
[01:55:57] Alex Tsakiris: Well, well folks, if, if any of this, uh, does seem to resonate with you in a way that makes you feel like you need to connect with this very awesome open-hearted person who we’ve been talking to, Eve Logan, then please do contact her.
[01:56:16] Alex Tsakiris: You can find her at her website, eve morgan.com. And, uh, what, where, what else should people know in terms of working with you or reading the books or anything else like that?
[01:56:29] Eve Lorgen: Well, you can get my hard copy books directly through me on my website. And then they’re both, uh, dark side of Cupid and the Love Bites still available on Kindle, so you still can get a Kindle edition there.
[01:56:42] Eve Lorgen: And then I have a small alien Love Bite Telegram group that I’m posting to that I can do a little more quickly than my regular website. So you can always get in, contact me that way or through my email. And that’s probably the best way. Or you know, any interviews you’ve heard me on, I don’t even have my own YouTube channel that I use.
[01:57:00] Eve Lorgen: I just, you know, do other people’s shows and it’s easier for me that way.
[01:57:04] Alex Tsakiris: So. Well, excellent. It’s been terrific. I’m very grateful for you being so open and allowing this conversation to go in ways that I don’t think a lot of people here when they approach your work, we didn’t even touch on really my labs and what all that’s about, but I think people will get the, get the general idea.
[01:57:24] Alex Tsakiris: So thanks so much for
[01:57:25] Eve Lorgen: doing it Eve. Well, thank you. It’s great conversation.
[01:57:29] Alex Tsakiris: Thanks again to Eve Logan for joining me today on Skeptiko do check her out. I think if you have any kind of issues, Surrounding this anomalous trauma issue. Seems to me like, she’d be a great person. Her books are challenging for the ways that I. Outlined in this interview.
[01:57:46] Alex Tsakiris: But other than that, . I don’t know. I think there’s definitely, definitely worth checking out.
[01:57:51] Alex Tsakiris: , so then finally, you know, one question I tee up from this interview and it’s kind of one of these where the. Questions just obvious, you know, Do you buy the MyLab thing?
[01:58:03] Alex Tsakiris: Let me know your thoughts. As always until next time. Take care. And bye for now.
The Alien Love Bite, Psychic Warfare, Cults, MILABs, Escaping The Matrix
In this discussion we talked about the deeper personal issues and experiences revolving around the milab and abduction events, astral targeting interference from various sources and relevant NDE studies from several prominent Remote Viewing groups such as Courtney Brown’s Farsight Institute.
Nathan goes into detail about his Soul Transference NDE “contactee programmed life” mission that was done via alien and military tech from beneath White Sands New Mexico in an underground base. Because the deeper deceptive programs relating to contactee-ism is an unpopular topic, Nathan describes how he was essentially shunned and misunderstood by most researchers in the “experiencer and secret space program” arena. Nathan had involvement in an Enki cult group, which was essentially a Satanic infiltrated group meant to handle and program him and others with false narratives.
We also described how subtle and not so subtle the “handling tactics” are, effectively preventing many survivors of many types of alien, milab, SSP, MK ultra and satanic ritual abuse from effective witness testimonies and real help in recovery. Narcissistic abuse trauma and this personality disorder is running rampant now. The increase in narcissism “normalization” can be part of the social media and artificial intelligence generated inculcation of generations of entrained minds, dissociated from true heart and spirit connection “beingness”, where natural values are now absent from so many family systems and governmental bodies.
We talked about how trauma abduction memories often do not surface even with hypnotic regressions, and the importance of prioritizing our Higher Self Eternal Spirit, and how this presence must guide us in our recovery process. This is sometimes time consuming and does not necessarily reveal a “high drama super-hero adventure story” ripe for popular YouTube channels and podcasts. If anything, deep trauma recovery–especially supernatural traumas, are not so popular and underrated amongst the UFO contactee and disclosure community. The tendency is to be distracted and entertained by the “bells and whistles” of action adventure hero SSP or UFO stories or cherry picked data that tend to highlight the brighter side of how special it is to be a hybrid or ET Contactee, highly trained super soldier or time traveler. I apologize for sounding cynical here, but it is a trend I have noticed for over 25 years in this community. With the internet, and human predictability towards entertainment, distraction and means to make money via YouTube or media outlets, the deeper underbelly of what is happening tends to be marginalized, and we do notice this with Shadow Banning and censorship in a huge way these days.
In a follow up post I do want to make a few points about how Disclosure will be portrayed within the classic “multiple choice question/answers” being provided via mostly controlled information that is cherry picked for the bell curve of humanity. The question is, will you see how this magic trick is happening and find your own answers based upon your own research and experiences.
Eve Lorgen joins Ari Kopel on Shattering The Matrix to speak about the Alien manipulation, MILABS, Secret Space Program, Reptilian Aliens, Interdimensional Interference, Curses, Entity Removal, Shapeshifting, Shamans, and so much more!
A panel discussion of many current topics, gate keeping, alien abductions, vampirism, cannibalism in history, the modus operandi of soul recycling, energy harvesting of human soul batteries. Psychological trauma and deviation of attention and belief tactics that enable the occupation of the farm. Recovery of trauma and original identity restores ones awareness, discernment and sovereignty.
In this show James and I speak of the current trends observed in the UFO/ET Disclosure movement, themes in the ET experiences over time.
Pollyanna Ascension ideations and over skeptical views of androgenous ETs, all demons or no recovered alien bodies, just demons, etc.
Obliviousness, Pierre Sabak’s etymological research, ancient languages depicting “invading alien armies” celestial vessels and alien sailors, reptilians.
The lack of unified front in disclosure, limitations in general, controlled opposition, same pathologies and mindsets portrayed, documentaries, contactees, abductees, same ones etc., Galactic Fed, love and light, galactic council. No hard core stuff.
Non human alien control system
Passivity programming , multigenerational abuse,( Cathy O Brien’s testimony of generational inheritances) spiritual warfare.
Real reason behind JFK assassination, aliens in human skin suits and more.
Mention of the human and ET created/conceptions of humunculuos babies/hybrids and a tip to watch Caleb Jade’s “Decoding of the Cabbage Patch Kids video.
5/23/24 Eve Lorgen with James Bartley: Current Trends in UFO/ET Disclosure and Truther movement
This is the link to the Caleb Jade “Cabbage Patch Kids” Decode on Chantelle Meybourgh Aquarius Rising Channel:
Are ET/human Hybrid Babies Similar to the Cabbage Patch Created Humunculuos Babies?
